before all of you gonna answer my question with: ATC without any exception, let me try to outline following situation ;):
I missed my first approach at KCLT. (Don’t ask me why, the APPR didn’t want to lock on the localizer for some reason).
ATC approach (and that I have to say first: they did a really good job, until I landed safely ;)) gave me a ‚missed approach’ and directed me west to RW 18R. So far so good. I had to maintain 5000ft and a course, that crossed my route with another plane that was descending on its final. I saw the inevitable and switched of my AP and did an evading maneuver. Both planes turned orange atm. And, I definitely can say that things would had been ended worse.
Split second later ATC changed my course and gave me a warning to follow instructions immediately or I would had been reported. Fair enough and it didn’t happen. I can completely understand ATCs reaction. But without my intervention both planes would have been collided.
So what do you think? What is the right behavior regarding this situation? At least I hope I’m able to attend such a situation better in future.
Thx for your replies.
You made the right call here. If you had been reported, it would have been reversed.
Oh ok, didn’t expect that
Hello! Do you remember who your controller was? It’s best to reach out to them in situations like this and they can explain why certain actions were taken etc. and what can be done if this occurs again. They would also appreciate any feedback you had of your experience with them.
If you see any conflict and feel that you need to turn away, please do so. You did the right thing here.
If they do report you for doing so (which they shouldn’t), contact the controller or @appeals and I believe they will gladly remove the report. Would you mind telling us who was the controller? Always good to let the controller know so that this doesn’t repeat in the future :)
Unfortunately not. I don’t want to blame him/her anyways. No one got hurt and I got no violation in the end. I just want to learn out of this situation. That’s all I wanted to achieve :). Thx to all of you!
Great to hear! Feel free to reach out to your controller if you can via PM. We love feedback, and your feedback improves the experience for everyone!
Well in the image you provided the aircraft is about at 7,000 feet and you are at 5,000 feet. You only need 1,000 feet of vertical separation to be in the right. So the controller had the other aircraft most likely climbing or descending or maintaining. At that point in the image you had a sufficient amount of vertical separation with the aircraft above.
Perfect, that’s why I uploaded the image. The other plane was descending and we went pretty close. Both of us where at around 190-220kts. And I’m not really sure what the other pilot was supposed to do…
Why I’m asking in that detail: I got a violation lvl 2 some days ago, nearly the same situation. And I don’t understand why until today.
Yeah if they were above you at 7000ft and you were at 5,000 by the time they got to break separation with you, you most likely would be a few nautical miles ahead so you’d be fine.
Good observation there. I think he just edited the post to add those images, so I didn’t notice that. But anyways, as mentioned, since the aircraft had sufficient amount of separation, I believe you may have been the one in the wrong here unfortunately.
Great that you clarified though!
Right. Sorry for late upload of the images. But do you get my point? How can I predict the course of the other pilot? Should I better let it matter?
(Talking about saving virtual souls :))
And as I have written before: 2 days ago I got treated with nearly the exact situation…
Reported it to the ATC, still pending FYI
ATC should notice it but if they don’t request for an altitude change and it’ll get their attention most likely.
Good idea I’ll keep it in mind. But we are talking about 5-10 sec. maximum… what would a rl pilot do in this situation?
If an aircraft is getting too close to another, a TCAS warning would go off in both cockpits. The TCAS will instruct one plane to descend and the other to climb. In situations like these IRL, TCAS has authority over the ATC. :)
Yeah. But we are missing this In IF. I did a suggestion for flight assisting app to cover this. That would be really awesome mo. Unfortunately no response to this yet :(
Pretty sure the app ForeFlight has traffic alerts and can connect to infinite flight.
You caused a conflict by changing course, there was no conflict to avoid before that. The other aircraft was 2000ft above you.
I mean as long as you had 1000ft of vertical separation it’s all good
Check, so at least I can rely on the ATC instructor and hope he’s doing right?!
As I’ve written before: I can’t foresight what the other pilot is going to do. And at this speeds things only will take seconds…