When should I request for landing?

Every situation is different and depends on controllers. It’s preferred if there is a different person on tower and ground that ground has atis as they can directly control specific things on ground that are more important in times that a separation of responsibilities are needed, such as a gate hold.

The tower and ground are in direct communication, so there is always talking between people at the same location no matter the frequency

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I recommend asking the controller directly, but you should be contacting tower 25nm out at 10,000 feet, which might be why the controller sent a Check Help Pages

I was probably tower at that time, I mainly send check help pages to those who announced inbound on the vis/gps/ils as those are only used if approach clears you and since there wasn’t approach there was no point using that and would result in a check help pages

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To be honest it’s actually more useful with ground as ground can just have atis to gate hold whenever he needs, which would be important if it is like fnf traffic as tower would mainly be too busy to update

Thanks Raidon for the explanation.

I guess it’s just natural reflexes to push the ILS button as I’ve always done that in the past, even with other IFATC.
I can see why the gate hold would be very useful. Thanks for the info!

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MaxSez: “On Guard” is a common emergency Freq. The term Guard should not be utilized for routine intra- ATC services as depicted. If it’s in the menu you can use it. Just disregard the “check pages” exclamation.
Just sayin. Max

@Maxmustang from my understanding, ATC also use the on guard frequency when an aircraft doesn’t reply to them, as many pilots tend to monitor the frequency.

@Kian_Abbasi… MaxSez: What is this ATC Guard Freq you note.
If it’s an ATC use “Common” Freq then call it that. “Guard” is regulated and has a specific purpose. Max

This thread is a great reason why we have “check help” as well. And IFATC absolutely loves when that individual comes and ask questions about what they may have been doing incorrectly either via a PM or in a thread like this.

A big reason why “check help” is getting used more, is because we are trying to get the community to start realizing that a procedure is wrong. Only way we can do this is a situation exactly like this. I hope there’s enough concrete info in this if someone that didn’t know can get something out of it.

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6.5.3
When there is no Radar controller present, Tower must issue a pattern entry and clearance to ALL aircraft as a MINIMUM, regardless of what the aircraft uses to check in on the Tower frequency. The use of sequencing will be dependent on traffic.

If you called inbound on the ILS you will receive a check help pages instruction, the Tower controller was simply following protocols to issue a check help pages instruction.

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@Trio… MaxSez: 6.5.3 is clear and concise. Since it does not required a “Check Help” Call Out why is it Interposed. The “Check” call in this case is Ambiguous, confusing and serves no useful purpose. It is “not” a learning experience or helpful and appears to be an unapproved individual Controllers self help initiative. What say you?
Max

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Most of us don’t use “Check help” as a warning. It’s not meant to scare the pilot, rather just inform him that he could have done something better in the given situation.

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Simple answer: when u want to land

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Not really helpful, but I get the humour!
If you have read the topic and the replies, I guess you could have an idea of what we’re getting at here. Cheers!

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Your query does not contain all info. How did you report inbound?

Check forum - there’s a good chance the ATC wanted you to find this part here:

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The supervisors say to use check help, so I say check help. That’s kind of how it goes, following rules/guidelines and all. Got to learn somehow. :)

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@azeeuwnl. MaxSez: On the ILS or Visual are two very different type of Approaches, I use Visuals all the time, at 090 at 20 even as old as I am I can still see the “Airport” and I expect a handoff to Tower most. Rickey-itchy. Vectors stop at “In sight. No Approach, any menu option should be used by any type Approach as noted. Pilots option. Think we have an interpretation problem here…
Max

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Agreed Max - different types of approaches. With different ways of reporting inbound.

I think we’re pretty much in sync 😊

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@Trio. MaxSez, Gotta listen to the bosses. They are Challengeable on this one when it conflicts with 6.5.3. This Topic Author sets the stage, “What did he do wrong still begs an answer.
Max

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Hi there! Good question! You should contact tower at around 22NM away, or approach from about 50NM.

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