So a couple of days ago, I was flying to San Diego runway 27 I assume A.T.C. was busy and approach told me to maintain 8000 ft. then handed me off too late. Tower told me i was clear, but I knew I couldnt make it. I said correction stand by and pulled out to the right to do a WIDE 360 to get back in line. There was another plane after me, but only the one. I figure if i was 10 + miles away from him/her that it would clear me of the other plane and give me enough room for a safe landing. Then I got say intentions. I said another correction standby, (note I was still going north to northeast and way out from the other plane). Then I got another say intentions, then with in seconds i got a check the forums. So Iām just curious what should have I said and what could I improve on. Thank you forums.
First of allā¦ Was this TS1?
Secondā¦ You should have just announced āGoing Aroundā
Hey :)
What was the controllerās name?
Iām sure heāll be happy to help you ;)
What server was this? If this is training then we cant do much about that, but on expert perhaps you can contact the controller if you know his name, or contact @Tyler_Shelton or @Joe if you dont know the controller.
I would personally say going around.
What do you mean āI knew I couldnāt make itā? ATC should have cleared you with enough separation to land. If they didnāt, you should have said āgoing aroundā when the aircraft ahead touches down
He meant he was too high more than likely. So he was too high to make the runway safely
Hey @L_Harris ,
First of all you should use Correction standby when you tell something wrong to the Tower and then tell the right thing, so donāt use this command so frequently because Tower doesnāt know your intentions and with Correction standby you donāt tell anything important for the Tower.
So always tell your intentions to the Tower and in this case you should have called Going Around.
Hope you found this answer helpful!
@L_Harrisā¦ MaxSez: Sound like a TS1 event. if you where above 050AGL when you went around you did nothing wrong you where out of controlled airspace! Below 050 in controlled airspace you had a missed approach, that was the call, Tower would then give you vectors from the Missed waypoint/fix. Check Google or the tutorials for āMissed Approachā procedure. Regards
(Go Around is routinely used in uncontrollled airspace. Itās a standard Unicom call. Missed is a standard Pilots decision call utilized before reaching decision height etc in controlled airspace, Harrisās situation. . Correction is not routinely utilized on Approach after youāve received instruction. Correction indicates an error has occurred with a request or command to follow. PS: ATC is never busy when they have you under control. Be patient or call missed or request departure (direction))
Yeah probably the āgo aroundā. But donāt worry, you are still learning, you never stop learning! Cheers
Like everyone else is saying. If approach has sequenced you and cleared you for an approach to a runway you should not disbandon that approach course unless itās an emergency or you are instructed to by tower or approach. The approach controller expects the pilot to maintain that course all the way to touchdown. In your case being too high, just continue on the approach and announce a missed approach and the tower should give you either instructions to enter the tower pattern or to contact approach for resequencing.
Execute missed approach.
Fly runway heading into upwind, then swing back around into downwind. Do not do an immediate 360.
In general, however, as @Maxmustang sez (sorry, Max, had to), if youāre that high at that location, youāre not planning properly.
Sorry I was driving home, sorry about the late reply but answer peoples questions so far.
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It was the training server this happen in, since Iām only grade 2.
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I didnāt know the controllers name/s.
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I was way to high since from what I learned on youtube is to always follow A.T.C.'s directions and i try to play as realistic as possible so I donāt go higher or lower then the absolute value of 1200 V.S. (I read this was the maximum Vertical speed that commerical planes use) thats why I knew I wouldnt make it and overshoot the runway.
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I honestly thought correction SB was used incase if I had to make a correction. And disregard last message was if I said something wrong. Next Iāll announce that Iām going around.(I dont know why I forgot about that.)
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Thank you everyone and comment I should of said going around, I appreciate everyone that is helping me out.
@L_Harrisā¦ No Mr. Harris you should have called "Missed Approach"
Re-read the responses here. Numerous errors noted by the āOtherā Fledglings.
Commenting on this thread. āTrust but Verifyā. Regards, Max
Iām not sure where you saw this, but thatās not accurate.
However, if you do intend to limit yourself to 1200, then you need to do the math. If your ETE to the cone is 4 minutes, donāt expect to lose 10000 feet; the math doesnāt work out. So either slow down (Iāll presume you were probably going close to 245 IAS if I were a betting man), or extend your downwind.
But if youāre not at the right altitude, donāt turn base.
As per @Maxmustang and @Tim_B (and a few others who posted), your situation definitely should have been announcing a āmissed approachā.
The āgo aroundā command, without getting too detailed, whilst in an IFR / commercial flight (even under visual conditions), would only be used after passing āminimumsā or the final approach fix, or an aircraft taxis onto runway ahead of you preventing you from landing etc ā¦ but this is a lesson for another day.
Review the #tutorials
https://community.infiniteflight.com/c/tutorials/flight
This will help you understand how to communicate better with ATC overall and welcome to the forum.
I think it was 200 or 180, because I always land at 160-150. I knew it was too high, but I asked approach if i could drop to 3000 but each time they said maintain 8000; and I canāt ignore what they say. Side note: what is the absolute range that commerical plane can go,if I may ask because Iām really curious.
@Maxmustang thank you, Iāll use missed approach and iāll study videos on it as well.
Tip to lose height when left āhighā by ATC.
- Reduce thrust to idle
- Increase VS to maintain target speed
- Use the speedbrakes to assist
(Note that the higher your speed, the faster you will descend)
Commercial airlines are designed to be efficient, the problem this poses for pilots is descent management. It is difficult to āslow downā and āgo downā at the same time which is ironic because this is what we do for landing. So use the speed to get to a better altitude, and then once youāre level, let the speed bleed off. This is the most affective way to lose height. Donāt forget (speed dependant) the gear is available and useful if itās still not working.
Unfortunately, not much can be done about controllers on the Training Server, but either way, EMA.
Regarding descent ārangeā, I shall defer to real-world commercial pilots such as @RAH.