Violations & the Training and Expert Servers; a Discussion

Most of us have been in this moment. It’s a late night and you have started your flight, you are climbing up to your cruising altitude, you set the throttle at a constant N1, and then someone/something calls your attention, a few minutes later you come back to see the overspeed warning and as you are rushing to your device to reduce speed you see the message change. Ghosted for excessive speed. You end the flight and lie down in a slightly disappointed mood.

One week doesn’t seem like much of an issue, but it is important to understand what you can find when you fly on the expert server that is present on almost no other servers, good and capable pilots. 2 days ago I found myself in this situation, and while recently trying to complete a flight on training server, numerous times I was interrupted by runway incursions, spacing issues, and controllers who instead of learning to control, spam the same message into your frequency multiple times. For me, violations have been a complete deterrent from playing anything other than the expert server, and in my opinion, there should be a more of a different system in place for violations which I will go into depth more below.

As generally accepted, violations should be treated as a learning experience, but if it happens to experienced pilots on the expert server, what is there to learn? I’m pretty sure most if not all pilots on the expert server are aware of the 250knts speed limit below 10k, 35knts taxi limit, etc. Of course, there is always the argument to be made that it is important to be near your device at all times, but it might be important to understand that at many times, not only is Infinite flight an idle game (such as at cruising) but also being on a mobile platform, there are locations that people will play the game at where things will take away their attention from the game for a few moments, during which they will rack up violations, and get ghosted. Now does it make sense to punish the player in an instant with a ban off of expert server for a week when he racks up violations? To me, it doesn’t make sense that you immediately get kicked off instead of providing you another chance on the server.

Personally, I think it would be much more reasonable to encourage the design of a new system, not based on punishing people who know the rules and make mistakes, but teaching people who may not know the rules, and giving them another chance to attempt to fly on the expert server. Maybe, instead of 5 violations and then a ghost, it would be reasonable to have 4 violations with just a kick from the server, saving you that one violation from getting ghosted, and keeping you on expert while being at grade 3. I’m just confused as to how the grade and violations system groups pilots who made a mistake, along with pilots who just disregard the rules and could care less for other players, as if that is an equal offense. In all, I would love to see a redesign of the grading system, violations, system generated ghosts, and reformatting of server player bases to be based more on people who disregard the rules, people who actually want to learn, and people who know the rules, but I’m interested to hear the opinions of others, what is the stance of the IFC on the current status of some servers and the violations and grade system?

*Disclaimer: This is not a feature request, just looking to gather the thoughts and ideas of other players to see if I’m just completely out of my mind on this topic or if there are some others out there who agree or disagree with me,

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I agree @Aceorbit

I agree read my post.

Well my issue might be a little off topic, however I agree with your point. Although this is a topic about violations my concern is why is it the only the experts server gets the tools to control affectively you have a training server they give you limited resources to communicate with your pilots a.k.a. your customers however expect server gets all available resources so how are you training anymore

Correction standby; didn’t we all pay $80 for the whole year 🤔…ijs.

I understood completely what you mean, I respect your opinion.
so as all of us here know that in ES we have people wanting to have an experience closer to reality, so no one wants to see another aircraft passing through it while doing the taxi, just because you got undone with something else in the environment where you are,
so to avoid getting violations or being reported because you did not follow the rules, it would be better to be in casual or training so you lessen the chance of being reported or getting a violation.

as you yourself said experienced pilots, so my question is, why be in ES where you run the risk of being reported or receive a violation if you are not going to be 100% concentrated.
You want the developers to create a server where people do not receive violations, but I would tell you that this already exists, which is the casual server, does not mean that if you are GRADE 5 you can not fly in the casual.
and when a pilot is reported and after submitting the problem if isnt your fault, the developers take all the violations given, but if you are reported and that is your fault, I do not see why they would have to take away the violations, it was not their fault or anyone else in the game that you undid, of course this happens but it would not be the fault of anyone to make a complaint.
and the purpose of the violations and reporting is not to prevent people from being in ES is to teach you not to commit the same mistake, remember a good pilot always learns.

and we ask the pilots whenever they are reported by an ATC directly contact the person who reported you and you can discuss politely, because we are also normal people who pay the game as you and do not want to harm anyone, and if it is a violation of the system and you think it was not fair, contact the developer to discuss this. (That’s my opinion).

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I requested to taxi and got clearance and then I got gosted because apparently I hadn’t requested to taxi even though I did

Take that up with the person you got ghosted by. This isn’t the right thread and is completely off topic from what this topic is discussing.

Unfortunatly, I never said this. My main point in this op-ed is to point out how violations are effecting pilots who make a mistake once in the same way they effect pilots who purposefully break the rules, so I think you misunderstood my point here. My point is we shouldnt be targeting intentional rule breakers in the same way we target people who make a mistake that didn’t even effect other players. For example, in the US, there are 2 different ways of targeting a person who has commited a murder, where there manslaughter which is unintentional and carries a lesser sentance as opposed to murder which is intentional and carries a much more harsh sentance. I propose we also have a system like this which takes into account your track record and other attributes. Thanks for your input. :)

How do u message them?

in other words you want the penalty reduction, this would not be a bad idea, but at the same time it would be very difficult to determine this when reporting someone, especially in busy airports, we would not have enough time to analyze who purposely broke the rules and who did not. I understood your OP

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The bottom line is that they’re also aware that leaving their flight unattended during important phases of flight is not Kosher.^

And, the current setup is a learning experience. Do you think people would care about ‘learning’ from their violations if nothing happened as a result of them?

Take the 5 ghost rule for Expert. Before its implementation, pilots simply didn’t care about getting reports. People with 30, 40, 80 (I’m serious…more than one with over 80) reports.

Because dance around it all you want, the only thing that matters to anyone are consequences. No one “learns their lesson” if nothing happens. That’s been proven again and again.

All you have to do is look at the threads reporting violations and asking for reversal. What do they always mention first? It’s “I was grade x and now I’m grade y!” That’s what matters to them.

So, taking your suggestion of a session ghost, then still able to come right back to Expert:

Exactly what is the incentive to avoid violations? If you can get violations and still be on Expert, why care?

Why do you think TS is the way it is? Why do you think TS pilots ignore ATC? It’s not simply “they’re learning.” It’s “it doesn’t adversely affect them.” So, if it now would stop adversely affecting them on Expert, guess what happens: Expert becomes TS, and those pilots you’re trying to avoid on TS? Well, now they’re just on Expert, too.

It doesn’t solve one problem, it creates another. The precise problem you set out to avoid in the first place.


^Yes, I know you went on to address this, but nothing changes the fact that if you’re not prepared to pay attention to your flight fully, then you shouldn’t expect to fly a full flight on Expert. We’ve all been in a waiting room and opened IF. But if you have 5 or 10 minutes, you go do circuits on Casual or something, because you don’t know when you’ll be pulled away. You know that going in. It’s not a reasonable justification.

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I would just like to say that although everyone may not agree with @Aceorbit views on this subject (I however do fully agree with it) I truly do appreciate and enjoy topics like this where the post is well written, clear, and the person is level headed when writing their ideas. That then leads to a civil and productive conversation. Nice work!

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I have gotten almost all of my violations because of this. I need to go do something, I come back and I see all of these violations. Thankfully I have never gotten ghosted before.

simple, you have to see who reported you looking on your LOGBOOK, after having the name you come here at IFC and look for the name and then send a DM to the person.
If you can not find him, you can ask for help in IFC, take a screenshot of your LOGBOOK and send it with your post, a moderator will help you find the person and discuss it and if you are reported by the system (violation ), it’s only a week and you can access the ES again, I hope this helps you.

I suck them up and take it down, unless it is a technical issue, such as violations after crash, violations after app crash, violations after phone freezing, violations after anything that is uncontrollable, or can’t be prevented by anyone.

Today I have a great anger of an ATC because it is in my topic that should be deleted but it is still there. I think some feel like God. Here is my advice if you are punished by a ghost or other, stay quiet. No one wants to solve anything alias even think it funny. And there are some here who certainly like to see punishments for him to feel the maximum as if punishment would teach someone who is learning. I already asked and I think I was answered I’m not sure. This training a time longer time for type punishment comes the message and an interval for its correction of course if it punishment. But if you are part of a VA then yes, be very quiet because some people do not care about your problem, you are wrong and that’s it.

I don’t like violations the same way I don’t like speed or parking tickets for my car. When I break the rules. I face the consequences and move on, while trying to learn a bit from it.

A violation you get for braking the rules. Braking rules involves a punishment. It’s a fundamental life rule that goes for pretty much everything life. The punishment triggers the learning, not the ‘breaking the rules’ itself.

I agree you could debate about the type and the severity of the punishment though…

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Let’s understand this better?
Most here do like reality. Good!
If you want to deal with your punishment problem because this matter should be treated openly for everyone to give their opinions that nobody asked for.
Have you ever wondered if the competent organs were calling everyone on the street to give their opinion about things they investigate? How would it be like to aviation today?

I have seen here discussions about being wrong or right. The truth is that if you are not the solution then do not be the problem.

This is the worst advice anyone could receive on here. The best way of learning is by learning from your mistakes. Every time a controller gives you a please follow instructions, check tutorials on the forum or ghost; you should PM them right after you land or quit your flight to find out why. I do agree that creating a topic is not productive for anyone, the controller will know the answer. We love when people do that! If you’re not a fan of the answer from the controller, message a moderator to get another answer.

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