Violations - Learning Curve?

Lately I have seen numerous threads and questions about when violations will expire and quite often they have a long violation list.

Sometimes I check who is flying around me and several times I saw pilots with 200 or 300 violations +.

Of course, everyone can make mistakes once in a while, but where is the learning curve when one gets loads of violations for overspeeding? After the 10th vio for overspeed I should have learned, that I’m doing something wrong and improve my procedures and handling, or not?

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From observing pilot behaviour on Expert Server over the years, I suspect a lot of overspeed violations come from:

  • taking off at 100% power, and going straight over 250kts. They then get an overspeed violation before they can slow down enough
  • cruising at the max possible speed too close to the red overspeed line. Then even a moderate about of turbulence would cause an overspeed.

It’s simply users wanting to do flights as quickly as possible, and not really caring about the potential consequences.

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For me it’s often flying while doing work and then sometimes i work later than expected and the plane is on VNAV. I think i don’t have to explain the rest.

Also sometimes casually forgeting about my flight. But AP+ really helps here

From what I read the overspeed warning :warning: is going like 40 seconds before getting a violation? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s loads of time to correct it. Your first point, I also had overspeed warnings, for instance I take off (80% throttle) still too low vertical speed/ nose angle, then I get an ATC handover and while in the ATC menu, I get the warning.

Fast fix: AP off, throttle down, nose up quick and regular speed is back in seconds.

But I learned from it and now I follow Aviate - Navigate - Communicate.

Is that why the actual limit is 260?

A buffer of sorts so you don’t overspeed if the wind speed is changing or it suddenly changes direction?

I would guess so, yes.

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Actually the speed limit is 250kt and the overspeed warning just starts at 260kt so there is already actually a buffer.

But the initial point is, that can happen to anybody, but after a while, one should learn from it after several times. If I constantly don’t want to follow any rules, Expert server is the wrong server for me.

And sometimes I want to fly with an F22 and Mach 2.5 200ft over airports, then I go to Casual Server :sweat_smile:

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Basically all of my 40 or whatever Level 1’s I have are from descent. Both VNAV and without (fell asleep). Oops.

But yeah, from my own personal experience when I began flying.. you kind of learn that on TS. You learn the limits quite quickly.

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@schyllberg Well, that even happens in real life aviation :sweat_smile:

Two pilots of an Indonesian airline have come under fire after an incident report revealed they both fell asleep during a January flight with more than 150 people on board. The pilots were unreachable for roughly half an hour, waking to find that the plane had veered off course, the report said…

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I remember when I first got into the training server.

When I slammed open the throttle and blew past 260, I wasn’t expecting much to happen, then BAM! Overspeed warning. Scared me hard to slam on the “brakes” and drop below 260 real fast. Then I learned there’s speed limits in the sky.

To this day I still wonder when they added speed limits to the sky

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we can’t forget about the level 2 and 3 violations as well-

as atc, we can issues certain pilots the command “check used guide for help with atc instructions”.
now I have to wonder-
do people actually go check the user guide afterwards? xD
I kinda doubt so. I just wish such guide would be more pointed to in-game, maybe that would draw more attention to it.
or maybe not- who knows Ú.ù

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oh xD

this sounds like a 50’s to 70’s thing.
they prob added that specially after the Concorde was a thing too, I remember having speed limits specifically for such aircraft too.

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I also doubt it unfortunately. One can hear this recommendation quite often and I regard it as a nice hint at the ops, instead of a warning or violation. On the other side, I wonder how many people fly with a subscription on Expert server and never have had a look into the IFC or the guidelines respectively.

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kinda scary to think of it that way lol
thankfully they can at least be taken out of ES so it doesn’t really impact on other pilot’s experiences.

but that surely messes with the experience of the pilot who receives such a vio-

like “oh if only there was a tutorial for me to avoid these violations”
*doesn’t notices the user guide *

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The commonly used limitation of 250 KIAS below 10,000 ft MSL originates from amendments to the U.S. Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs) in the mid-1970s, specifically 14 CFR §91.117, which were introduced as part of a more comprehensive revision of operating rules for IFR/VFR traffic and to ease congestion in increasingly dense air traffic.

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Really? It was put in place in the 70s? That’s 50 or so years ago

Thanks for the info, didn’t know it was around for half a century now

Although I also read that it was not regulated at the same time in all countries but rather a development over time. And that’s what AI answered:

The 250 KIAS speed limit below 10,000 ft MSL was introduced after a series of mid-air collisions in the late 1950s and 1960s, with the United Airlines Flight 826 disaster in December 1960 serving as a major catalyst. This incident highlighted the dangers of high-speed aircraft operating in lower, more congested altitudes, leading to the FAA implementing the speed restriction.

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