SIDS/STAR Chart Help

Hello! I understand that there are several guides to reading charts but none of them help me with this specific question. One arrival that I am interested in attempting (WYNDE8 at KORD) has the list of waypoints end parallel to the runway (I will attach screenshots of the difference). I am wondering if I am putting in everything correct or I need to do something else additionally:


Please try to help me with this, as I have not played IF since I have had this lack of realism on my part :O


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In page 2 of the arrival you need to read the text that says Arrival Route description however since this is only an arrival you need to transition to an IAP. The arrival looks correct in IF.

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FYI this isn’t cover in either of those. A STAR is different then an IAP. The flight planning series does however.


@Brandon_Sandstrom… MaxSez: Just a bit of help from a cyber friend;

An instrument approach, or instrument approach procedure (IAP), is an aviation term for a series of predetermined maneuvers for the orderly transfer of an aircraft under instrument flight conditions from the beginning of the initial approach to a landing or to a point from which a landing may be made visually. (Wiki)


It depends which runway you’re planning on landing at. In this example lets use RWY 10R. The first thing you want to do is read the notes and/or runway arrival procedures for the intended runway you plan on using. You can see I circled the notes for the specific runway. This is just a “spelled out” version of part of the arrival for a specific leg; so to say. So if you were landing 10R you wouldn’t need to pu the fixes (VULCN, KURKK, and BAMBB) because you are not flying that leg. Rather, you’d be using the fixes WYNDE FIYER, ERNNY, TUBEZ, MONKZ, JORJO, POSSM.

Most arrivals have a notes section, and specific runway arrival procedures that are spelled out for you.


Oh look at deer pulling out the photo shop to one up us 😂

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No one would understand if I didn’t. 😂


Ok, I’ve been reading these comments so far and they seem helpful. I am curious: After observing Flightradar24 and watching aircraft use this arrival, I have noticed all of come in from the east and use the 27 and 28 sets of runways. It says expect radar vectors to final. Do I have to PLAN anything else or can I just proceed direct to the O’hare Airport?

ATC would provide vectors to you from the last waypoint to the final approach course. On your map you could just go from your last waypoint, whatever that may be, to the airport.

Hmmmm… But does that really make sense? To go WEST of the Airport, especially when the runway has landings from the east? That’s what the chart is telling me as I read it! For example, if I was using 28C for my runway, and I followed the instructions to proceed to BAMBB, then I would be west of the Airport and be forced to turn back around and turn around again due to the direction of the runway…

They’d probably be vectoring you well before reaching BAMBB

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It’s probably a good idea to also point out the altitudes you see are minimums. Chances are you will be higher for most the time. Except for the expect FLXXX markings.

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So after I enter BAMBB, I mark KORD?

My concern is also when to mark KORD… Should I mark it after BAMBB?

Like I said before I’d look up the approach plate for the the runway you are using.

Well when it says to expect vectors after the waypoint, I think I should add KORD next.

Then add KORD next 😂

The plate says Expect Vectors because there is always Approach at KORD IRL. In IF, that won’t necessarily be the case.

You’re not being “unrealistic” to add the points on the localizer (i.e. the ILS/LOC/whatever approach chart to which Brandon refers).

[To your earlier comment about going west of the airport, you’re talking on one hand about landing eastbound then trying to use that same route for what they’re currently doing, which is landing westbound. You have to pick one or the other.]

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