Rookie IFATC Controllers

Hello community,

I know there may be similar topics regarding my concern, but I just want to point out a major issue I’ve been seeing on ES lately.

With free time in abundance, there’s been a lot more IFATC controllers passing their tests and starting to control the ES skies. However, I’d like to point out that passing your practical, which is 5-7 aircraft flying patterns, won’t adequately prepare you to handle hundreds of aircraft at the busiest airport in the sim. Especially since one can go from passing their practical to being a Specialist (Class Bravo-certified) in mere weeks.

In this case, I had to perform 2 consecutive go-arounds due to LUAWs being issued while on less than 2-mile final at WSSS. My advice for newer, lesser experienced controllers is to start off their Specialist operations controlling a less busy airport, and trying to stay away from the day’s hub. Going back to our example, you could open RPLL, which has significantly less traffic to deal with. I’m not going to name specific controllers, since I feel like this concern applies to most of the rookie controllers. (I can discuss today’s concerns with the controller in question via PM)

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate each and every member of the IFATC team, and I am also currently in the training process to join it. They keep the skies moving smoothly, and without them, ES would be just like TS.

My main point in all of this is that newer controllers should try to avoid jumping in to control airports such as KLAX, EGLL, WSSS, etc, the moment they get promoted to Specialist. Sharpen your skills in a less busy airspace, before you get to moving hundreds of aircraft.

Thanks

Robert

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Hello!

I agree with some of your points however only practice will make perfect. I am sure they will appreciate advice and feedback with open arms :)

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True, I just want to add 2 things:

Many other factors that effects the controller’s performance:
You are experiencing a tiny picture of the controller’s work.
Although a consistent work flow is a must, but IFATC are human too…

In my experience, many people tend to stop before the hold short line, which means they are on the runway, and a GA is needed.

And many people when they are handed off to tower, they immediately speed up to 250KTS which is insane.

With the global pandemic right now, traffic is much more busy and we will need to risk it.

Hope you’ll understand, a great way to prevent this is by messaging the controller himself, I am pretty sure he’ll explain it.

The practical exam is made to ensure that the controller knows the basics,
Since there is a huge increase in IFATC controllers in April alone, it’s a learning curve for them. There are many other airports that would love to have you.

Kind regards,
Omar.

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I’m a new IFATC member myself, and I’ll take note of your concerns so that you pilots get the best experience when you’re under my control!

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Actually this is enforced a lot on IFATC. You should not open larger hubs unless you are prepared to afford the quantity and put it below the quality.

Also this has to do with the exponential increase of new pilots that do not know how to behave and follow the procedures. In this point I mean to enter short final 200kts, when rolling departures on the ATIS to slowly initiate your take off roll, and a large etc.

Anyways, what you are saying is a big truth!

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Hello. Although we do appreciate your concern, we have different levels of ranking and supervision within the IFATC. Mistakes (if any) are closely monitored and corrected by those that have been in IFAC for years. If you had a personal incident, I’d suggest you reach out to the controller via PM. We are always looking for feedback, however calling out a group in general via this post won’t benefit anyone directly. Thanks!

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Hi Robert,

I want to say first that your post is very respectful and your concern is well thought out and valid.You are right, IFATC does have a lot of new controllers. In fact, there were over 75 added in the month of April alone.

A little insight. For those that do know and those that don’t.

All new tower/ground controllers are restricted to open only Charlies & Deltas. After some time and if review of performance there is positive, a controller is then allowed to open up Bravos in addition to Charlies & Deltas.

At all times, IFATC are constantly being monitored by leadership of their performance. Part of this is also monitoring whether or not controllers are making a trend of opening up places more often than not where they can’t handle the volume of traffic. The feedback and trends are noted and passed onto the controller to make them aware of what they need to work on. Vice versa, if everything is looking good, we try to encourage and let them know that as well.

It is emphasized very heavily not only when promotions happen but also throughout training to start slow. Whether a controller is a new specialist (tower/ground) or officer (radar) controller, to not dive into the main hubs straight away. We also advise all controllers to split frequencies if the workload is or becomes too much for them to handle.

If you do have specific concerns with a controllers performance, it is good to note who they are during your flight and to send a message to them here on the forums so you can make them aware of the issue. If the performance is truly egregious, you can message IFATC recruiters, leadership, etc…If nobody has feedback, there isn’t much anyone can do to help/improve.

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MaxSez: What is with the “Royal IFATC Community”? Every minor Criticism by a Pilot here receives a “Circle the Wagon Experience”! This is not cowboys & Indians boys & girls. We are a Membership that should practice camaraderie and mutual support!

Please save your extemporaneous excuses, obfuscations & Negative commentary for an Author PM’s.

This Indian intends to assault this & every
circle by well aimed 🔥 arrows.
MadMaxSends

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A united team does not attack each other publicly, we provide feedback privately. :)

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I’ve seen a lot of this recently as well. I am currently in the process of becoming an IFATC. Recently IFATC has had lots of aircraft to deal with because of the amount of pilots on the servers. Practicals and trainings are pretty comprehensive but can leave some details out. As @Grizpac said, controllers are monitored. There have also been many new pilots to the expert server which could be another factor in the lower quality on the ES. WSSS and other similar airports are still only meant for so much traffic and can still pose flow issues with 200+ arrivals. Thank you for your concerns as I will make sure to incorporate these into my recruitment process. I hope all is well
-Will

@Trio… Fine comment. Suggest a “ Practice what you Preach” huddle with the few jotters who are Infamous for their excuses (Blame deflecting ) negative feedback.
Regards, Max

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I am an active IFATC member and I understand what you are saying, but most of the go arounds happen because people do not know what expedite or immediate takeoff mean. This is know issue within IFATC and has been brought up on the forum many times, so we are all working on it :)

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@Aviation3… As I noted above to @Trio
Your Quote is ‘blame deflection”… Bad Juju!

Max

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Sorry max 😔 :)

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I quite like this post. I agree very much with what you’re saying. As a member if IFATC, this really hits haha. But you do make a valid point. However, some rookie IFATC that’s just entering the specialist phase, like to push their limits and to me, there isn’t anything wrong with that. But please, please make sure you are able to handle the amount of traffic because quality before quantity. But the IFATC is really awesome and they look over the new people. If they see that an airport Is being ran by someone who can’t get it under control, they will offer for a higher up to take it, which I think is amazing. But I know what you are saying and I agree with your post overall.

DONT BITE MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW

-IFATC VulicityHD

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@VulicityHD… MaxSez: Very constructive commentary. Pass the word!
Max

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This is pretty much a duplicate of ATC feedback

We are addressing this in the IFATC slack. With the increased volume on the servers ATC are adjusting procedures as needed. The increased traffic also means ATC are handling more inexperienced pilots on the expert server as well.

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