Realism Lacking?

While I understand your frustrations regarding controllers not knowing the airports published SIDs/STARS, take note that even in real life ATC vectors takes precedence over published procedures.

and if you got a L3 after turning on your own when ATC said to maintain/turn heading 210, I believe this is on you.

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Very few pilots on Expert Server know how how to fly the ORCKA SID. Most pilots hit LNAV off the runway; when departing 25R, this usually results in an immediate right conflicting with 24L traffic off the runway.

If I need a 25R departure to fly the SID (to avoid busting with 24L traffic after hitting LNAV), I will sometimes vector the pilot to fly the SID.

However, we’re limited to vectoring in 10 degree increments. Additionally, when a pilot is using the IF A/P to turn, controllers will over vector to take the A/P wide turn radius into account.

TAKEOFF RUNWAY 25R PROC

While published heading is 236 degrees, procedure reads, “then on heading 236 or as assigned by ATC, expect left turn to cross KLIPR at or above 10000…”

Given IF A/P turn radius limitations, a 210 vector isn’t unreasonable to (a) separate you from traffic on the 24s and (2) initiate the left climbing turn.

Unable to issue a “direct to KLIPR”, controllers will issue another vector to keep you turning left and climbing. To compensate for the turn radius, you’re likely to get a vector which intersects the SID, allowing you to join with a continue as filed (CAF).

I can’t comment as to what your specifically experienced, just offering insight to limitations and challenges we face.

ORCKA SID

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It kinda depends if atc decides so they can choose to turn right maybe due to traffic if there was an event

As an IFATC controller, I don’t want any traffic turning right ‘off the runway’ at KLAX in a westbound flow.

An immediate right turn, off the runway, from 25R/25L will cause:

  • Loss of separation with LAX 24L/R departures

A turn to the right ‘off the runway’ on the 24s/25s will also cause loss of separation with arrivals on right downwind.

If a pilot wants to turn right for a northbound departure, file an appropriate SID for a northbound departure. This will take you offshore to the west prior turning (right) north and will not conflict with aircraft flying published arrival procedures.

You may receive a shortcut, at ATC discretion, but expect to fly your filed SID.

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True but I guess it depends on how the ATC guides you