Hi all,
Just wanted to get the community’s take on this. I noticed when planes are leaving LAX, especially when doing the ORCKA5 departure SID, a lot of pilots turn right. Do people not know the proper procedures and how to read SID/STAR charts? In real life planes always depart heading 051 (runway heading) for 24L departures and runway heading until reaching DOCKR, then fly heading 236 until turning direct to KLIPR or KEGGS.
hmm, interesting, I assume they just go the direction of their waypoint, or they’re just casual server players
People have their own degree of how much realism they want to simulate. The only things enforced are infiniteflight rules.
For example I’m pretty big about following procedures from what I learn on navigraph, but not everybody has access to it or is willing to pay monthly for that info.
People can easily find (most) departure and arrival procedures just by searching on google, or FlightAware.
Charfox is free.
Yes it was just my example of what underpins my pursuit of realism.
There’s a wide degree of realism people could follow. The fact that so many SIDs are available online (majority US airports) but we have people still not following it 100% just shows that a handful of people don’t require a heightened level of realism to enjoy the simulator.
And I get it, the ones who do prefer more realistic elements would be ecstatic to see the rest of the playerbase at the same realism-level as themselves, but it will always be wishful thinking lol
For pilots who aren’t completely focused on realism, they don’t take the time to read the charts or even look at a standard departure on FlightRadar24. The only way to implement something like this would be for ATC controllers to issue a radar vector after takeoff, assigning the proper headings at the correct times. Unfortunately, an ATC controller for a certain airport doesn’t always know the real-world procedures, so it’s not feasible to do that. The only thing we can do as realism-focused pilots is adhere to the highest level of professionalism and realism possible—and just ignore everyone else who doesn’t. The best thing I could suggest is mandating that all air traffic controllers familiarize themselves with the real-world SID and STAR operations at the airport they’re controlling, including active runways, headings, and altitudes. All of this information can be found for free on services like FlightAware.com, SkyVector.com, and others.
Remember. This is a game. Not real life. If you want realism become a pilot.
Do people not know the proper procedures and how to read SID/STAR charts?
I would imagine most do not know. It is not an easy thing to grasp, even for those who are IFATC. Tower is not required to understand how to read an approach plate, arrival or departure procedure for example.
Good thing I am working on it.
If people are perfectly capable of learning how to control LHR during World Tour 2, I’d think they can learn how to read a simple approach or departure chart. I don’t think it would be a bad idea to mandate complete knowledge of SID/STAR procedures for all air traffic controllers. I know some would disagree, arguing that it’s too difficult or too much to ask, but if you ask me, it would actually reduce errors for both ATC and pilots. So, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to require anyone controlling an airport on the expert server to have knowledge of real-world procedures for that airport.
This drives me nuts. I no longer add it as a recommended SID when I control because the vast majority don’t know how to do it properly
ORCKA5 is definitely an interesting one. You can’t activate LNAV directly otherwise it’ll make a right turn.
Here’s the thing though—if pilots aren’t also pulling up SID/STAR charts, then requiring ATC to know how to read them doesn’t really solve anything.
Very valid point. For the sake of this, let’s just say the pilots have filed the appropriate SID/STAR procedures.
Whenever I do that departure, I find that very chart on flightaware.com. All I’m suggesting is that pilots and ATC like should have knowledge on real world procedures before they fly there or control the airport
Or would care enough to read them if they did… I think most people who would be willing to read those charts would see enough of FlightRadar24 and whatnot to know that there is no right turn back over land departure at LAX.
Not every chart is available on FlightAware and none are outside the US. AirMate is a free app with global charts but asking every random IF user to install a whole separate app to follow real world procedures that would be a headache to enforce the following of is unrealistic. While the right turn ORCKA5 attempts do annoy me, I don’t think this is a good solution.
Search for “ICAO approach plate.” Most airports are availble online.
