Question about airline names and logos

So my question is, how did IF get the rights to use airline company names and logos? Did they ask the trademark holders? If so, how? I’m just wondering. Idk how copyright or trademarking works, or really anything involving owning the rights to something. So I apologize if I sound a bit clueless.
P.S. Idk if this has been asked already. If it has, could you link the post pls, thanks :)

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I have been curious about the same thing.

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A question no one was brave enough to ask😮‍💨

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Maybe they did ask…and we’re silenced by the IF mafia.

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wait-you might be on to something D:

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Led by the one and only schyllberg…

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Maybe the fact it is a simulator and is supposed to happen. X-Plane probably has the same thing. It is mostly games with no crash animations that have airline liveries that are allowed to be used freely.

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I think IF does just ask the airlines if it’s ok if they can have their livery/liveries in Infinite Flight. I think it’s the same with aircraft types. It’s the reason why we will never see an gulf stream aircraft in Infinite Flight.

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Infinite flight just uses it. If an airline objects they will be compiled to remove the livery. While in many cases airlines object use of Virtual airlines under their name.

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Idk how it works in other countries, but the way that copyright law works in the US is that you can use the logo for a major corporation without paying royalties as long as you are able to prove that no harm is being done to the company in question.

Pretty sure that a flight simulator isn’t harming American Airlines or Delta to a horrible degree.

I’m currently taking Comm Law this semester, and we started with copyright

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It has something to do with fair use

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If i was owning an airline why world i let someone use my property without my permission or royalty.

Well, we discovered this the hard way didn’t we? @Magician

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Unfortunately Yes, I remember the good old days 😢😢😢

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Infinite Flight is earning using Delta And American Airline names, this doesn’t sound right. Royalties should go to the owners if using it. (I’m guessing IF would have taken permission from the respective airlines)

Good question!

I actually looked into this previously for a semi-unrelated topic. In short, Infinite Flight does not need to ask permission to use airline liveries from the respective airlines, even with the intent to commercialise them (i.e., sell them for profit within the simulator).

For some background, in 2020, AM General sued Activision, the publisher of the video game Call of Duty, for trademark infringement. The case centred around Activision’s use of the Humvee (a military vehicle) in Call of Duty, as well as the creation and sale of player skins, or ‘liveries’, for the in-game Humvee that resembled real-world military designs.

In the case, AM General argued that Activision’s use of the Humvee in the game, as well as the sale of the player skins, constituted trademark infringement because it suggested that AM General endorsed the game or was affiliated with Activision. Activision argued that its use of the Humvee in the game was protected by the First Amendment and the ‘transformative use’ doctrine, which holds that the use of a copyrighted work in a new work can be protected under fair use if it adds something new and transformative.

The court ultimately ruled in favour of Activision, finding that its use of the Humvee in the game was protected by the First Amendment and the transformative use doctrine and that the sale of the player skins did not constitute trademark infringement.

More specifically, the judge ruled that using the Humvee to ‘enhance the realism of the game’ constituted artistic impressionism and is subsequently protected by the First Amendment.

Since Infinite Flight is a US-registered company, they too can copy liveries to ‘enhance the realism of the game’ (with some limitations). I am not a lawyer (and this is not legal advice), so I am not sure what happens in an international court, but I am quite confident Infinite Flight is safe here in this regard.

(For the same reason, I believe that the recreation of the Gulfstream should not be a problem, even if it has patented components).

Hope this answers your question.

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Very interesting! Thanks for the information!

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Thanks for the info! So would this still be considered to be under Fair Use Doctrine, or does this ruling supercede that since it involves Constitutional law?

(For an explainer on FUD, see my earlier post)

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To be quite honest, I have no idea. I only came about knowing about this case/ruling when researching the use of photogrammetry in games (i.e., if I use Google Earth and it has an IKEA building, and I include it within the game, is this copyright infringement).

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Interesting, so it seems infinite flight (and other flight simulators) can recreate a Gulfstream if they wanted. It’s nice that they’re respecting Gulfstream’s wishes even thought they don’t have to.

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