Im actually shocked they would go with the 787 instead of 777-300ERs. Boeing is giving massive dicounts to keep the carryover between the 777X lines andt he current 777 line. Plus the 777 would provide the same capacity ss the 744s
But the 787 has better fuel economy, and is more modern. With the 777X coming out there’s no point buying 77Ws either.
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Except there still is a point. If you get a 77W at a huge discount of $150million you save $250mil of the sticker price of buying a 777X. Couple that with an order for some 777X and you grt a bulk discount. Overall you save more money in the long run with the 77W discount over the 777X. Its a thing called overall cost and profit.
True, very true. Except that the 787-9s have more range than the 777ERs. They still get discounts. Qantas is also in a position to make very specific demands for that new ULR aircraft they want. From Boeings and Airbus standpoint it is “ask and you shall receive”. No matter who gets the order, it is the most prestigious one in 100 years. To be honest, and I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but I think that Qantas has more knowledge about economics (especially their own) than you do. If they do not buy the 777ERs, there is a reason.
This is the problem you guys arent seeing. They are replacing their 744s with 787s. They are lowering capacity which is not ideal if your 747s were being profitable in thise routes.
@AndrewRG10 what makes you think these two cities only?
As the first 8 will be based in Brisbane in Melbourne. But who knows the next 6 may go to Sydney,
The long awaited 777-8 or A359ULR order comes next year, after Qantas discuss with Airbus and Boeing whether to buy a modified A350 so it has an even high MTOW or getting a 777-8 which is tweaked for a little further range.
The 787 is just part of the many options Qantas still has for this plane. And so far they seem to love them, which means we may see even more
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I mean this isn’t that big of a story. American Airlines is still dominating with their almost 50 787’s purchase haha
Yes but Qantas is the worlds safest airline, so people want to know what they might fly on on their next long haul flight
Yeah ok I didn’t mean to say anything bad. Qantas is a good airline I believe you and yeah they are replacing their 747’s by 2021. I didn’t mean to say anything bad sorry.
Did the 787s get enough PiPs to the point where the 77W become unsustainable at any price point? The period of 777-300ER dominance is coming to an end, it is being squeezed by the 787-9 and A350-900 on the lower end, the A350-1000 with inferior versatility for much better fuel burn, and the 777-9X on the upper end. Yes, the 777-300ER is like the Swiss army knife for long-haul flights, but when you have all of these speciality products available, there is very little space left for the 77W. Clearly, QF found the 787 to be more attractive for their requirements and what they want.
I’m not sure if they are, as long as overall systemwide ASMs remain relatively constant, I don’t see an issue. Smaller aircraft enables them to right-size the amount of capacity they have and trend it upwards and downwards in smaller increments, potentially improving the level of service given to clients.
I would disagree, QF is a small player these days. Airbus and Boeing have much more incentive to accommodate EK and QR’s requests since they are much larger customers. QF’s orders are nothing compared to most other airline’s requirements.
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But bragging rights. Boeing is already happy that they have the bragging rights of creating the plane that flew London to Sydney non-stop once. They want to be able to brag about creating the plane that flies regularly Sydney/Brisbane/Melbourne to London non-stop
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I doubt Boeing will forgo 60 billion dollars of orders from EK and QR to appease QF and their 20 planes at best. That being said, EK and QR’s requirements are remarkably similar to what QF wants, I would say the potential ULH order from QF will probably go to the 777X barring any surprises from the A350-900ULR.
Now, I’m sure QF would be interested in a hypothetical 311t MTOW variant of the A350-900 with -1000 structural components and its triple-bogey landing year. It will probably be a better size (less wasted cabin space) than the 777-8X and have 9-14% better fuel burn on similar seat count since the payload gap would be a lot smaller then. It’s not entirely out of the question, QF has been known to want some Frankenstein upgrades from manufacturers from their 707 and 747SP days.
So glad they did, was so excited when I heard this on the news.
It is not that comfortable, especially Sydney to Johannesburg type routes. You should’ve seen the 747 that was retired this week, it had a cabin with puke coloured seats.
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Yeah strange they send such a horrible product/ experience on such long flights to Johannesburg and Santiago.
You went to SA on one of these aye if I remember you saying?
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Yes I did, the flight was a decent experience. It makes sense they have the 747 flying on those routes because they don’t require an aircraft any bigger, but a smaller aircraft wouldn’t do because they don’t have the range nor the seats to counteract the low frequency of the flights. Neither do they have the aircraft to replace the 747 at this time.
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This is a great video overview about the new order and what it means for Qantas (along with the 747 retirement)
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