Pushing the Boeing 747-8I to it’s limits: Lufthansa is flying to New Zealand. Nonstop!

Like I know that, at least for Airbus a significant part of captain training is getting used to flying with your left had. Now I assume it’s easier to go back to something you’ve already done, and this is sum what less of an issue for a Boeing, but I just feel like it would throw off a lot of your flows and stuff to do the with the other hand regardless…

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Oh I get it now, you’re saying that in an Airbus it would be uncomfortable switching between left and right seats due to the fact that you would have to fly with your right hand instead of left and that in a Boeing, where you can have both hands on the yoke, it would be less uncomfortable.

Well not entirely I think. Usually if your the pilot flying (and I’m basing this purely on videos and stuff I’ve seen, so anyone who actually knows, namely @Lufthansa061 please step in) you would have one hand on the yoke, and one on the throttles for part of landing and what not. Not to mention that it seems a lot of the flows they do are preformed with your “inward” hand so to speak, so I feel like a lot of things would still be wonky going from seat to seat. I guess the idea here is that pilot flying would be in the left seat, and most of the people there will just be doing button management, so seat is sum what irrelevant. I assume the motivations for choosing those people goes a little beyond what is most practical too.


Yes that is true. Usually you keep your outer hand on the yoke however I have seen some videos where when taking off a non-fly-by-wire aircraft such as the 737-200 the pilots will use both hands to get the extra force needed to pull back. This tends to prevent over correction when flying.

Damn…this’ll be interesting to watch

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From my uneducated findings it looks like they keep one hand on throttle one on yoke till rotate, they put both on yoke. But again that’s just what I’ve observed from videos…

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These Captains are used to fly from both sides as, especially these Management Captains,they fly most of the time when additional staff is needed or when there are special flights or when they have to do their 3 take offs and landings within 90 days. And then they mostly fly from the right seat. What i am not saying is that they lack experience. I know all of them and they are really someone you can still learn from. I had once my proficiency check in the sim with the Safety Pilot of Lufthansa Group which is a 747 Captain, our scenario was a night flight from Frankfurt to Rome in the 747-400 simulator. Scenario:

  • Night flight
  • Ash clouds blocking our pitots
  • Unreliable Airspeed, speed to be taken from the static ports
  • 4 engines flame out, 3 possible to restart
  • Cockpit all the time full of smoke, flying with masks on, visibility so reduced i could not even see the Captain
  • Landing gear did not extend, alt gear extension, nose landing gear still retracted.
  • Go around on 3 engines with no airspeed indication at night with no visibility
  • Landing without nose landing gear.

Could not have thought about a better Captain in the left seat.


Refreshing to see 747s making these ultra long haul instead of A350s and 787s

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That would be a pretty bad day in the office! 4 engine flame out just like the BA 747 flight over Jakarta. (Amazing bit of flying by those pilots)

From what I’ve seen watching the LHC/Aerologic Airclips movies (which I love watching) Lufthansa pilots are very professional, going back to your previous reply to me with 6 Captains is it the Captain flying or the most senior Captain that has the final say in the cockpit?


When is this gonna happen??

Right here


economy with a baby :-I


I am not a pilot but as far as I am aware it’s like this:
The Pilot in Command of that particular flight has the final say and is agreed on before the flight. When the PIC goes for a rest the command will be given to another pilot following a agreed on scheme, but in case of a severe situation the PIC will be called from the rest to decide.

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The flight to Auckland was not nonstop, it was a Boeing 747-430 (D-ABVY) that operated via Tokyo—Haneda. The flight number was LH9902 to Auckland, and it’s in the air right now as LH345. No information about Christchurch, so I assume it isn’t happening 😬

Track it’s journey here since it’s still an interesting flight!


well rip the a380 with its range like the 747-8

Yes it was flown by a 744 because last moment the cabin staff representation (“Personalvertetung”) did not agree with the duty time on this flight and therefore did not allow any flight attendant to perform duty on this flight. The flight would have been a ferry flight but at least 4 flight attendants would have been on duty to operate at least 2 emergency exits. The Captain has the authority to extend the maximum duty time to 16 hours a day. The time starts to count 1:40 hours before off block and and ends 30 min after on blocks.While the Pilots representation gave their ok, for the representatives of the cabin crew there were too many questionmarks and they stopped “ this adventure” last minute and only gave their ok when there is a stop in between with enough rest time before the second leg.
In my request system it then looked like this :


22 hours in hell

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Coming soon:

the first departures from Christchurch on Monday, April 6, 2020, possibly earlier, with Air New Zealand or Lufthansa

As of this afternoon: almost 11,000 entries updated by you; including over 6,000 people for flights from Auckland, approximately 4,700 people for flights from Christchurch.

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Auckland to Germany from tomorrow (Friday) onwards with Air New Zealand and/or Lufthansa, starting with an Air New Zealand flight.

Situation still very fluent and that’s the other end of the world from here in Germany, but it looks like things will finally get underway again!

Source: https://wellington.diplo.de/

Thanks for the website Julian! Too bad I can’t read German 🤣

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