Pushback and Taxi Requests Order

Is there a reason why in the list of ATC messages the Taxi request is on top and above the Pushback request?
I mean when needed both, you always use them the other way around.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to switch them?
So 2: > Pushback and 3: > Taxi.
If so, I’ll change this to a request.

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MaxSez: Chicken or Egg? LOL

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Atc reply to pushback request should be approval and taxi instructions combined so I know which way to face!

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That would be even better, but a different request. :)

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Yes, the smartest request on this forum, I end up requesting pushback then immediately requesting taxi

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Could that be solved by adding a pushback approval message like this:

  • Pushback approved to the left
  • Pushback approved to the right
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The Pushback direction has already been requested.
So that leaves the order. First Pushback and then Taxi.

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Yes these fixes would be nice, but in all fairness it only takes a second to swivel about and see which runways are being used.

I’ve noticed this on occasion also.

I will typically tell the pilot to taxi to the runway immediately after sending the pushback approval. Or the pilot could send a taxi request after getting approval for pushback but before actually pushing back.

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I always give pushback followed immediately by taxi instructions. I encourage all ADV ATC to do so as well if there’s any question about which runway is being used. However, if the airport is busy, you should be able to have a pretty good guess which runway (s) are being used by looking at traffic BEFORE requesting pushback.

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Yes, that helps, but the taxi request includes ‘Ready to taxi’ which is not the case when pushback hasn’t started yet.

The only time I don’t issue taxi instructions after pushback is when there may be traffic around the planes and I may need them to hold position until it clears up.

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