I lived in Batam for 10 years and never have I seen an aircraft Back Taxi, if there is a reason it’s probably that Qantas A380 that landed there due to bad weather at Singapore
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blindly following the controller
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sorry, i disagree here. Back taxi is also a pilot decisión. If i’m not comfortable with the length of runway u are giving me, i have the right to a back taxi. U don’t know how heavy i am, sorry, i feel there is missing a “request back taxi” commands, until then, if there is a back taxi available, all jets should get it.
My 5 cents, i’m not saying im right.
before I only gave my opinion. If rule is no back taxi when line up and wait message is sent, then i think that should be added to ATC command. Maybe a , line up and wait, no back taxi
Line up and wait means no back taxi.
I am in agreement with many of the comments on here. It is up to the pilot to decide whether he/she needs a full length t/o or is able to accept an intersection. The intersection t/o may be offered by the controller but it is up to the pilot whether he/she accepts it.
ok, just to clarify, I’m talking about planes less than a321 and 757, for all other ok. my point is: If I tell you LUAW or CFTO, it means that I know that the length is enough, I’m not talking HEAVY. Anyone thanks to all for suggestions.
It’s not up to you which is the point being made. You can offer the intersection but you are on no position as a controller to force a pilot to take it. If the pilot wants a back taxi you deal with it.
that is my point. Disobeying an order now is the only way to show the controller I want a back taxi.
Yes I see. It’s a shame there isn’t a request back taxi command as you say.
The other problem I have seen is sometimes people will request to cross which I agree to then instead of crossing the back taxi. I suspect if there was a request back taxi comment it may deal with this too.
@MarcelloM… MaxAsks: For the record: Are you in fact an IFATC tested & certified controller?
This is the point,in that case i have few inbounds,and a cesna,320,737 asking for TO,from the intersection you have 7000+ft runway,so I program the TO in base of inbounds,if i tell you CFTO or LUAW,you have to do otherwise i have problems with inbounds,so if is as you said pilot decides?so in others case also?so why we are controlling?
Yes I’m since 5 months
Tough. How many times do I have to say it isn’t up to you to decide whether a pilot should go for an intersection t/o or needs full length?
I seriously think you need to stop digging at this stage and go and do some reading on this.
@MarcelloM… Noted, Please place the honorific “IFATC” after your tag. Regards, Max
Chill mate…no need to be so…
I really don’t understand why your having such a hard time with this. Your not flying the plane if you think it’s safe great the guy in the cockpit may not feel the same. As your approach controller pointed out it may not of been a smart choice to begin with.
Intersecting departures while they can save time have to be done where both the pilot and controller are on the same page. Since IF doesn’t have that capability there is no way to know if they will accept it or not. Same goes for LAHSO if the pilot and controller can’t be on the same page prior to it happening it shouldn’t happen. You are a controller controlling your airspace. The PIC is in command of his aircraft and can refuse any clearance they feel will be un safe to perform.
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The best advice I can give you is to assume they’re going to back taxi to the takeoff end of the runway every time. If you start to build up too much traffic on the ground and you need someone to takeoff, tell the traffic on base/final to 360 for spacing or put them in a holding pattern over a fix. If you’re as competent as you say you are, this topic shouldn’t even be a problem for you. If this is a bad attempt at a feature request for more communications, take it to the features section. There’s nothing else that you’re going to get out of this. If you start ghosting for something like that, be prepared to have a war on your hands because an angry majority of pilots will be against you for it. Good luck.
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