Pilot preference?

#1

I’m not sure where to put this but I just wanted to see what pilots prefer.

So I’m a controller for the training server and I have over 800 operations and I’m slowly working towards becoming atc for the expert server.

I know for IF the general rule is for departing planes once an aircraft is wheels off you can clear the next aircraft. But in real life the secondary plane would wait due it wake turbulence and depending on the size the time may range from a couple of seconds to a few minutes.

I made this post to find out what the pilots would like. Some pilots are calm and collected while others spam the ready to takeoff command when I tell them to hold. I personally like holding aircraft for realism sake but I would like to hear other opinions as well.

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#2

i perfer as soon as i hit the runway

#3

Any reason why? Of just cause your ready to fly

#4

I guess it really depends on how busy the airport is. If you have five people waiting in line, going ASAP is the best call. If it’s only one or two people waiting, you could probably pause a few seconds before clearing them.

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#5

yeah im ready to fly

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#6

It is not really a preference, it always depends.

For example, if you have a cesna departing in front of a large jet, you would obviously wait for the cesna to clear otherwise they could collide.

There are quite a few factors that force an ATC to choose, it is not so much a preference.

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#7

Well, for one, its a simulator… I don’t think the secondary plane will inquire any wake turbulence besides a headwind. I would say as soon as the plane is on a safe base

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#8

Its funny how people like to pick and choose real world procedures when it suits them most. Real world doesnt have the volume and spacing we have. You will get different answers on who you ask.

If I have two decent size jets, I will clear one for takeoff and when it reaches 50-70 kts clear the other. This is called “anticipated separation” as you know it takes a few seconds for the plane to get into position.

My goal is to get them off the ground as efficiently and safely as possible. Use all runways possible.

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#9

also what airports i mainly use kdfw for atc and i do my procedure for aircraft holding short

#10

Mainly airports that have decent sized planes but go unknown by the sim community so light traffic maybe 5 planes on the ground at once on a busy day

#11

yeah right now theirs only 2 planes when theres room for more

#12

As soon as I see plane 1 rolling I tell plane 2 holding short to lineup and wait. Then I do what @Chris_S said:

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#14

I love the idea of maximising realism in IFL. However, due to the inclusive nature of the training server and some of users, I often find that many pilots will only to listen to ATC when it suits them and prefer to ignore their command if told to wait. I’d certainly say its worth clearing aircraft to take off in the way you are proposing, but if I were you, I’d be prepared for some folks to be in a hurry and obstruct this.

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#15

but like i said i like it when i hit the run way i take off

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#16

The point at which you take off, you should technically be at the discretion of the controller. If you takeoff when you are meant to line up and wait, it kinda defeats the idea of an air traffic controllers authority and then the immersive realism which we all seek is lost.

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#17

I prefer it about 10 seconds after i enter the runway, enough time to turn on my landing and strobe lights. And, get my flaps down and all pre Takeoff checks are done

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#18

flaps should be set before taxi and landing and strobe lights should be turned on as soon as you cross the holdshort line

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#19

Well, yeah, usually they clear you when youre on the taxiway. This way that the OP is proposing, you line up and wait, so that gives you the time instead of rushing, and flaps do not have to be set on the taxiway, something=imes they’re just set on the runway

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#20

@Nickolas_Ridgeway MaxSez: I identify with @Chris_S and his take on the launch sequence and procedure. I also second his quote following:

I’m a stickler on the Pilots place in the cosmos as the decision maker. However from the tarmack to established the Pilots workload precludes full situational awareness. The phenomena of wake turbulence, stability, parallel rway action ect may not be consider by Fledlings and the malcontent hot shoots in IF. Their specious argument should be ignored. Fly by the accepted and established rules of the AIM as modified by IF to fit this platform,

A word to the wise! Bolting from the starting gate, redundant comm’s ect indicate your not prepared for the big time. Disagree or do it your way and not as instructed on TS-1 just set you up for your 1st Ghost when you reach the big time…

I’m hoping for a return of “Report User” so I can send you a personal msg if your a Fly “Boy”! G’day.

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#21

In real life, departing aircraft are following some standard procedures, you can be pretty sure as to how fast they’ll climb, what their initial heading will be, etc.

In IF, it’s a crap shoot. At a field like LAX, you can pretty much just assume you’ll have someone cut straight across the other cone. The pilot behind will climb at 7000 FPM speeding a hair’s breadth under the violation airspeed, etc.

Josh would say to “Push tin” and keep the flow moving. And there’s something to be said for that…except I don’t trust the situational awareness of most.

It’s just my personal preference, but I tend to avoid parallel departures and tailgating departures. Obviously, that’s situational. If the field is crazy busy, I may have to up my departure frequencies, but at a normal traffic flow, I avoid creating situations with crossing paths by departing planes and the like. If I know someone on 25R is headed north, I’m holding the guy headed south on 24L until the first pilot has vacated the departure cone.

Of course, pilots could always help out by departing runway heading as a matter of course, but we know that isn’t happening.

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