I was controlling PHOG earlier and I noticed many people spawning on the right side ( when looking at RWY 02 direction ) taxi to RWY 02 and request take off. I clear them for take off and they back taxi. Please don’t do this!
When you get to the runway, stay on ground frequency and request permission to cross the runway! Back taxi is used when there is no taxiway to the end of the runway.When they are on the tower frequency you can always tell them to cross the runway then tell them to contact ground. Aircraft should not be back taxiing when cleared for takeoff tho.
I told an a318 cleared for take off, thinking there was enough runway but he back taxi and I had to get someone on final to go around
It was on Expert server
Oh that is weird? I can see why people would back taxi, but they shouldn’t do it if you clear them for takeoff
To quote myself from way back:
Controllers are not in a position to overrule a decision made by the PIC. If a pilot says they need full length, that means that they either did not make the calculations needed for an intersection takeoff, or they actually can’t perform that intersection takeoff. It would set a dangerous precedent if controllers start thinking that they know better than the pilots about their own aircraft.
@Danman You need to read what @Panther is saying. The better way to go about needing the rest of the runway would be ‘request’ runway crossing. Not request take off and back taxi. Panther never indicated he “overruled the PIC”. He cleared him for take off as it is the choice of the PIC, like you said. :)
I have ghosted for actions like this…
To quote @Panther:
That was the post in question. I agree that there is still ambiguities in the system to be worked out, for future considerations.
Well,you have to keep them in the ground frequency or if they are on tower,give him "cross runway " command,if they enter without permission ghost him, we controller can’t decide if they need backtaxi or not.
Presumably to ensure they had the runway to themselves not knowing they could request a back taxi
Some people might not be familiar with PHOG. They might not know which gates are where.
When selecting your gate, you can see it says GA - general aviation.
Who says they can’t spawn there? There’s nothing there to say DO NOT SPAWN THERE
It’s for GA aircraft. Cessnas, Cirrius. Commercial aircraft shouldn’t spawn there 🙄
That’s in real life, infinite flight is a game.
Lol why are you so set against this? When there is space for airliners to spawn, they should spawn there. If not by all means use the GA spots, but in this case there is both
Well,yes is a game but why not be realistic? Even is a game we all try to be much realistic possible.
You always assume they are going to back taxi the controller doesn’t decide if the runway is long enough or not, the PIC does.
@azeeuwnl don’t ever ghost for this you aren’t the PIC. Until we can ask the pilot if they can accept an intersecting departure, expect the back taxi. IMO you’re just pointing out the mistake you made as the controller.
In PHOG, unless it is a GA aircraft, I never clear for takeoff on that intersection - if they request takeoff I give cross runway. Never had an issue.
However, places like TAPA you will quickly learn that it’s pilot’s discretion like @Brandon_Sandstrom points out - always assume back taxi. I learned that the hard way.
