I get that it’s all about professionalism but in the grand scheme of things i think it’s not that major when the airport isn’t busy but it still gets to everybody who sees it happening. I will definitely give out warnings next time but for example yesterday I controlled KSEA GTS and I had a unite 757 exit the runway and then taxi at 28th halfway across the airport on tower freq. and I told him 4 times to contact ground and he would still keep going and not care and I felt hopeless in that situation but it was dead so nothing got impacted.
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Just like you would report the person, just doesn’t issue a violation
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What’s worse is when people come to a full stop before the hold short line and contact ground. On more than one occasion this has forced a plane on short final to go around because the first plane is causing a runway incursion.
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Yeah there should be a command yelling at the pilot to exit the runway, or an automatic warning notifying the pilot that they can’t stop immediately after exiting the runway
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If you let them do their own thing when it’s not busy they’ll do it either way, when conditions get worse. But I get your point :).
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That’s a good point! Now I know for next time
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It isn’t the most unrealistic. RW, tower will often taxi planes to the ramp as soon as the vacate the runway to the left/right/straight ahead. Check into tower and ask what he is doing in terms of taxi. Remember, all airports have their own procedures and SOPs, check with them first before making assumptions and reporting people.
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It is when the command is to “turn left/right/exit runway when able and contact ground”. Look at the end of that command, it is unrealistic to not follow ATC instructions.
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There’s also a question: some ATC prefer aircrafts to be on their tower frequency (especially when split with others) when aircrafts need runway crossing after/before they exit or enter the runway. What should the pilot do then? I’ve got sent back from ground frequency multiple times.
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in some airports you don’t contact ground untill your clear of all runways and will not be passing through anymore runways, and also in some airports you go from tower to ground back the tower than back to ground, or some funky stuff like that, so sometimes that could be a thing.
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I know they do that sometimes but this is different he didn’t even make an attempt and when I told him to contact ground he kept doing a 25+ knot taxi half way across the airport to the gate. I could tell he was reckless and he gave me an unprofessional vibe that he just didn’t care.
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I would say your best bet most the time would be to contact ground after you cross all runways unless you get told otherwise by the tower or ground controller
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There is a command to tell you to exit left/right, cross the other runway and then contact ground. Obviously this is not always a option and you just have to contact ground then contact tower if needed.
Agreed. They are hectic. But that’s why the ATC is there. However that case seemed rather unique. I’ve seen some ppl support the ATC guy and some others didn’t. Those that didn’t really were saying so because of the logic behind what he was doing. No focus on the other runway, apparently the person just concentrated on 1. I’ve personally been to ATC airports where they only use 1 strip but the airport itself has a minimum of 2/3. It gets congested and for some reason they still utilise 1 strip/runway. Smh 🤦♂️. It frustrates me but say one say two I’ve seen pilots just got to 1 runway when they are other free parallel ones. Same result if you use it in terms of weather. But ppl just gather at one point and this is why I decide to fly alone in a remote area. Also the game doesn’t flow well when there’s congestion, many person at one airport.
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Exactly and this is my case many times BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND if you truly think about the flow of traffic and logic. Ppl complain but don’t actually think about what’s really happening. They just believe the ATC should concentrate on them and no one else. Impatience is a huge thing. I’ve seen persons ask for take off clearance and they are 3rd 4th 5th in line. Smh 🤦♂️. Just yesterday a guy taxied at 32 kts just to get on the runway before me and take off. Obviously reckless in doing so. No where near the ramp to be on the runway and already asking for take off clearance. Just silly stupid unprofessional behaviour man and it really upsets me
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That’s what I hate. And I feel your frustration. As a pilot I’ve seen so many things and I can’t imagine how y’all ATC players do it sometimes. The expert server needs to be CLEANED UP. Like seriously I try my best to have realism as much as possible and as I said before this requires me to fly alone. I’ve had sessions though at airports with others that are soo professional and good. Logical. That gives me hope. Other than that sometimes I feel to just quite the game. Find something else.
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What am I missing here: I thought this was a reportable violation that is likely to be enforced? So there’s no enforceable consequence for ignoring ATC on the ground?
We have the option to give out warnings and violations. Obviously I won’t report a guy if it’s not catastrophic because reporting a person is the very last thing we should do. At the end of the day it’s up to us to use our best judgement to enforce the rules and if we can get the same result with a warning then there’s no need to ruin someone’s day/week.
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There seems to be a bit of contradiction with some saying that the ES needs to be cleaned up while on the other hand pilots are allowed to violate an unambiguous instruction without consequence. I can certainly understand the desire for restraint and flexibility in handing out warnings and violations, but if it has perpetuated into a chronically worsening repeat situation, then perhaps there should be a stiffer consequence if it’s desired to “adjust” system wide behaviour?
On the other hand, this places an extra burden on ATC for more frequent dealing with the reaction to increased warnings and violations I would imagine.
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We’ve really been told to try and do everything before issuing a violation unless it has a severe impact on the airport like taking off without clearance for example. I know this will just let people fly unprofessional because they know that they most likely will get a warning and not have a violation. I wish the violations had more of an impact on being able to access the ES because those are more important than landings in my opinion.
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