Great explanation, I’d love it to be added 😁
Yeah, exactly man XD I was just bored, and I looked up at the wiki and… Lot more content than in English lol
So… this may take a lot more work than I originally thought. (I’ll section this post into drop-down menus to make it less confusing, but I still recommend you read every drop-down menu.)
The PROBLEM: our edits are being reverted for this reason
All edits that we’ve made to the Wiki have been reverted for this reason:
“(Reverted 11 pending edits to revision 866721118 by Ravensfire: revert trivia and unsourced details pushed by fans of the game - discuss on article talk page please)”
So Wikipedia doesn’t like random fans posting somewhat-biased information about IF.
I guess this process makes topics on Wikipedia more accurate… but it makes it hard for us.
The one-sentence SOLUTION
For each thing we add, it must be accompanied by a creditable source. (The source must be “verifiable” and “neutral”.)
About making edits to a Wikipedia page (straight from Wikipedia’s page, which can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources)…
“Readers must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up. This means all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Additionally, quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by inline citations.”
The problem is… there are very few non-IF-associated sources that talk about the features of IF.
Also, Wiki also apparently does NOT want us to “rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject”, or in other words, we can’t use information sourced directly from the creators of Infinite Flight.
But there is a work-around for this. The IF company is allowed to share information about themself, under the following guidelines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources .
All I’m saying is that our sources cannot be directly from Infinite Flight themselves. They must be sourced from other places.
Anyone have any thoughts?
I’m willing to lend a hand on grammar checking if necessary
Very good info here, but sounds too much like an ad. Our wiki should be more information than advertising.
Wikipedia will take down any information that seems like it purposely promotes IF.
Unbiased facts about IF are what we need.
If I remember rightly, this has been discussed in the past. End of the day we are all to closely associated to IF to not make it bias. Whatever we do it always seems to get reverted. @Mats_Edvin_Aaro had something to do with a re write at some point?
As you sorta mentioned in the post, best option might be for Infinite Flight to do it them selves.
Yes, but I was wondering if this could be an inspiration for IF to make the Wikipedia page themselves?
Or for the community to find a way to make it work? After all, Wikipedia is the go-to place by many for learning basic info about anything, especially since the first description you see by searching “what is Infinite Flight” on Google is the description and information from Wikipedia.
(I might even suggest making our own “Infinite Flight Wiki”, but that’s basically what IFC is.)
I’m just wondering about how it became so small after having more detail (like before). Did Wikipedia’s policies change?
I think the main problem is finding a “credible” source to cite information for the Wiki from.
By the way, do you have a link to that previous topic? I’d like to take a look.
It’s certainly a good conversation starter to get the ball rolling 👌It would be great to have a write up that actually sticks.
As for the topic, it may have been pre ifc ( Lol, IFFG 😂What’s that) I’ll see if I can track it down on the IFC though.
Okay heres one of the attempts. More or less the same issues you have brought up
Ok, I see. Luckily, it appears that the topics were closed due to inactivity rather than mods closing them.
We just need credible sources! Do you guys think the Apple App Store website would be a “credible” source for the subscription prices & the app price? I’m going to try it, hopefully they’ll accept it!
you can also use a few official IFC posts and FDS news releases. As they come from the original developer, i guess it’s credible. I remember seeing some odd posts about global, but not much after that.
App Store/Android seems credible but just remember it’s probably the USD that people look for, not local currencies, so I’d go for official FDS statements on price
There are rules set against using the original creator/company as the source in fear of being biased.
But I see your point; officials sources are obviously better. Let me go see if they accepted the edit…
So it appears that someone from Wikipedia as replied to a message I sent them. Here’s exactly what they said:
Hi Racerclc, thank you for joining the discussion! I wouldn’t say that IFC members need to stop editing the article, because you’re all knowledgeable and passionate about Infinite Flight. Caring about the subject is, in most cases, a good thing. I’d just say that you should step back for a bit to understand what Wikipedia is and how it works.
The important thing to know about Wikipedia is that we’re an encyclopedia and that all of our content should be based on “reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy”. As an encyclopedia, we write general summaries and that means avoiding trivial details—like pricing, lists of gameplay items/vehicles/places, descriptions of play modes, version histories, etc.—unless those details are something that reliable sources talk a lot about. For example, if Infinite Flight cost $500 per month, I’m sure that would get tons of (negative) coverage. But $9.99 per month? It’s mundane enough that nobody cares. And because we summarize what reliable sources say, then we shouldn’t care, either. Now when I say “reliable sources”, for a game or simulator like Infinite Flight that usually means reputable video games and technology sites/magazines like GameSpot, IGN, PC Magazine, Kotaku, Polygon, etc. (And then there are unreliable sources, like forum posts, press releases, advertisements, purchase/download sites, etc. We rarely ever use them as sources.) At WP:MOSVG you can read about the kinds of content we do (and do not) write about in our articles. And at WP:VG/S you can read about the sources that cover video games and simulators. (There are also plenty of things to read in the welcome message I left on your own talk page.)
The content that’s been added to this article is far too detailed for Wikipedia, especially because no reliable sources are covering Infinite Flight at this time. (As I mentioned above, the most recent reliable source I could find was from 2014.) What you really need is a dedicated wiki like Wikia where you can be as detailed as you want.
As for Infinite Flight LLC, our conflict of interest guidelines strongly discourage them from editing the article directly. Of course, anyone at their company is more than welcome to create individual accounts (i.e., not a company/group account), disclose their conflict of interest, and suggest edits backed by sources.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask! And I hope this helps! Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 22:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
So… it looks like our Wikipedia endeavor has come to an end (for the reasons Woodroar stated). Wikipedia just isn’t the best place for something like Infinite Flight.
But is anyone interested in creating our own fan-made IF wiki outside of Wikipedia, similar to what many other programs have? I’d be up for that.
Take a look below.
Alright, it looks like a mod can close this topic now.
Thank you everyone for your support! See you again another time. :)