@J_B… MaxSez: Work’s for you fine by me… I’m a primary GA Driver, I Fly VFR most of the time and visually Approach & Depart. I see and can be can be seen. I don’t need no stinking Vectors. I go for the shortest rways winds and ATIS permitting. GA all the way,
Regards JB, Max
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But what else should I request than flight following if I simply want to follow my departure routing?
Check in, see 10.13 of the ATC Manual on the forum.
@KyleBoas… MaxSez: “Proceeded on Course” works for me. I understand that a “Check In” with no follow up indicates IFR (Following my Plan) and proceed is acceptable. What say you?
Max
In real life, you would contact Clearance Delivery before you even push out of the gate.
Thanks for the recommendation, wasn’t aware of the manual at all, but now read the part on Check-in.
Will try the Check-In for my departure the next time I am departing through controlled airspace!
@KyleBoas: MaxAsks: Pls cut and paste the cited para of the IF ATC Manual on Check In here, Save us all the time and effort required.
Thanks/Regards, Max
10.13 The Use of Check In
10.13.1 The Check In feature serves two primary functions on Infinite Flight.
• Requesting Flight Following from the FIRST radar controller the pilot contacts when they have an acceptable flight plan (see 10.10 above)
• Advising a radar controller that they are on your frequency AFTER BEING
SWITCHED by a pervious radar controller10.13.2 When controlling a radar facility and an aircraft checks in, if they have not been with a previous radar controller then the same rules as per Flight Following apply. The aircraft can proceed to fly its flight plan, however aircraft can still be vectored or issued altitude assignments if required (see 10.10.2 above).
10.13.3 If the aircraft has been provided with a previous service from another radar controller and has been handed over, then the pilot only needs to check in and the service can continue with the new controller.
10.13.4 If however, the pilot wants a different service they will need to request it. If the approach controller is unable to provide the previous service, then the approach controller will either need to change the service the aircraft can expect, or ask for the pilots intentions.
via the ATC Manual.
Can someone explain to me what a flight following is in real life. Just to clarify.
We follow every rule in that handbook to the tee, or else, so there’s not going to be any ambiguity.
VFR flight, with time-permitting assistance from ATC as to things like traffic and weather. (All RWA commercial flights are IFR, so FF would not apply.)
Ahh thank you
Just like baby sitting in plain english. He will keep an eyes on you. He let you do your thing…but if you gonna come harms way or gonna get hurt, you will be notified ;)
also you are in his house you play by his rules.
As great as a suggestion this is, I’m not exactly sure how this would be implemented for certain aircraft, or how difficult it would be.
Ok so check in when departing IFR, got it. What’s a trash hauler though? I thought it was GA but is it Airliners.
Max’s word for commercial airliners. As you know, the general public never met a plane too big to fly in any situation.
its worth noting here that if you get frequency changed approved from tower, and not directly handed to approach from the tower, it means we dont need you to check in with approach. Just continue on and tune out of all frequencies.
People checking in a departing airspace is unnecessary and just clutters our radar comms.
Obviously pay attention if you are departing to your surroundings, and make sure you’re following ATIS on straight out departures when necessary
I understand what you mean but my flight plan went across his arrival airspace. It took from the time check in until he signed me off took 3min. Communication went on like this,. Check-in!, Roger!, frequency changed approved 2x. I would not have contacted him if Iam going opposite direction of incoming traffic. It looked more preffesional to me since we didn’t have departure.
If I post video. You can understand more, when I get home maybe.
No, Approach and Tower talk before opening and Approach will say “no departures”, meaning Tower will send a frequency change approved and not a handoff to Approach.
If you receive a frequency change approved it means that the Radar controller will not be able to provide any service to you on departure due to a high workload, simply see and avoid, use the map to avoid conflicts like you would if Approach was not open.
By you tuning in like you said you do, you are negatively effecting our service by sending requests we don’t have time to respond to or think about. We try to manage both arrivals and departures as radar controllers but it sometimes is not possible to manage both.
All right, I didnt know about the tower and approach arrange it in advance, the airspace wasn’t that busy like FNF or weekends. I assume it could be how the controller wants to work that day maybe. Good to know, thanks