MaxFacts: IF TrashHaulers take Note!

MaxSez: It’s called Flying! Fledglings; Master a “Steam Gage XCub” or 172 w/o AutoPilot and a HUD and you can “fly” everything in the IF Inventory. Just Sayin, Max


Thank you max, very cool.


Yes! Preach. Hand flying is key! I try to hand fly substantial amounts of my departure (up to about 10,000) and down from about 5,000 (excluding approach active)

Thanks for this post, it’s an important message.


Agreed 100% but also I would add there is a time and place to keep hand flying!

If I am in an airspace and things are slow in the frequency, I will handfly to about FL180 and down from 10.

However, if in a busy airspace and atc looks to be stressed and if you look over and your pilot monitoring is overloaded with their workload it’s your job to leviate that by helping out. One major way is to engage that auto pilot.

And let’s not forget to mention… there is huge difference flying 70-100kts to 200-250kts over the ground at relatively low altitudes. Things happen 3 times faster. Not worth the risk IMHO.

IF you bust any altitude at busy airspace you will get the “number” and will written up for deviation. Is it really worth it? No.

That’s said, flying with no automation is a skill and should be used as much as you can with each situation mind. Heavy reliance on automation is bad. Really bad. It has been a cause of a lot of crashes.

I once had a compressor fail and I was pilot flying and the Cap at the time was overloaded with work between atc, engaging buttons for me for guidance, running the checklist and consulting the QRH, I not only got chewed out by the not only Cap once we landed, but my director of training and safety for not engaging the autopilot at a time like that when it was working A part of a “skill” as a pilot is also to use all available resources when crap hits the fan.


V@Erj145… MaxSez: I can identify with your “been there, done that” observation. The salient point for me is your quote as follows;

I follow “Aviation Safety Network” Web reporting for years and watch Incident and Strike reporting and Investigation interim and final reports closely. “Pilot Error” appears to on the rise worldwide and appears to be a major contributing factor or cause of most non—mechanical/system Strike/Fatality on the scoreboard. Loss of situational awareness, Failure to adhere to Procedure, Increased workload, and loss of hand flying skills jump off the pages of the final crash investigation Rpts.
This FAA/ICAO initiative is long time in making. Hopefully airlines and “Sport” Pilots will take note of this late reminder and call to action. IF strikers (future Pilots) should recognize this initiative has legs and it applies on this venue.
It about time. Max


Pre-1980’s you had pilots. Post-1980’s you have system monitors. Once the old pilots start retiring and the new generation takes over you will see a spike in pilot error accidents.


Agreed 100% Max


What makes you say so?

As technology advances, don’t you think pilot errors will decrease?

While everyone has their own opinions, I feel what Max has said is very true. I’ve kinda given up at the whole “airline” thing and really moved to GA, to experience the real flying…

Every pilot starts with a small GA. It’s the starting point of every pilot career. It’s where the fun begins!


Firstly, that’s good to hear. Remember to hand fly! ;)

You see, that’s exactly why they will increase. Young whippersnappers will head up for the controls, and heavily rely on the autopilot to do what they need to do. Eventually, you rely so much on these automated features that you become too relaxed. Thinking “Nothing will go wrong”, and that’s when something does. Here’s the thing, you haven’t spent as much time thoroughly understanding how the aircraft flies in all phases of flight.

Obviously, this a debatable subject.
And yes, I know I am a young whippersnapper, but still.


We need to get “Trash Hauler” on


Statistics disagree with you on that one. Fully automated planes will have hardly any crashes as there will be no “pilot error”. Pilot error accounts to 80% of airline crashes.

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Your a pilot when your flying, not when you sit down and watch it do it’s thing.


You can’t say that crashes caused by system/autopilot/automated errors won’t account for the same percentage because we just don’t know how fully automatic planes will be

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We do, one day there will be planes flying around without any pilots and will be far safer then what it is today. Its the sad truth. A lot of people say “Stick to manual flying” because its “better” but manual flying is the reason most planes crash. And statistics clearly show it.


@Hamza.N… MaxSez: “We Do”! Who is we? Definitive statistics sources to back up personal definitive analysis need to be provided to validate your hypothesis. Pls provide sources or indicate the bases for your suppositions. Regards, Max

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Its common sense, you cant get more automated than no pilots.

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No, we actually don’t know what’s written in our future or the future of a plane crash. No one knows what lies ahead.

Do you think the passengers onboard OZ214 knew their plane would crash when they boarded? Answer: they didn’t.

OZ214 isnt a good aircraft crash to quote on as it was blamed on pilot error. Take tesla for example, are there less tesla crashes then other automotive brands? yes because Teslas autopilot is much safer then having the individual actually drive. Teslas autopilot can also determine when a crash is imminent and corrects itself to avoid it and can determine when another car ahead is going to crash and reacts to it before it even occurs. Thats how it would work in the future for aviation. One key downside to having actual humans drive or fly aircraft is that our reaction speeds are far slower than the computers.

Actually, all crashes are good examples. Does any passenger really expect their plane to crash when they board? No, no they don’t. They may fear it will crash, but they can’t know that it will.

No one knows what lies ahead, and statistics can’t predict the future.

Well that logic works for all modes of transport, when people sit in cars they dont expect to crash yet car crashes take the lead in transportation.

Let me clarify, what im saying is, There will be far less aviation incidents when we take the pilot out of the cockpit and put in a fully autonomous system as pilot error accounts for around 80% of all commercial aircraft incidents.