I flew Japan air 9952 to Tokyo Haneda Airport as a return flight from Incheon, which is the feature airport of July 6, 2020. When approaching Haneda and descending smoothly to runway 22, another aircraft approached my equipment! When it was the first time, there was no difference of 2000 ft with 0 miles. I was finalizing the final sentence, and I was invading the finals first. I attached the call sign of a large group of IFs, so I thought that it should be a report and reported it. Regarding the equipment, it was only dangerous because there was no renewal with control and no final sentence. Please take immediate action (replays etc. are prepared)
Hey!
Are you talking about separation with the other aircraft?
2000ft is good, minimum separation IFR rules are of 3nm horizontally or 1000ft vertically
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2,000 vertical feet of separation is the accepted minimum for altitudes above 29,000 feet, and 1,000 vertical feet is the minimum for lower altitudes.
I think he means they both were at 2000 ft, min. horiz. separation and he was the first on final.
Controller have to clarify
Hello!
Do you remember who your controller was?
Was āFlight of 2ā or any number in your callsign
Donāt want to confuse the situation as there already seems to be some issues with what is being asked.
But 1,000 feet is the separation minimum for RVSM airspace (applies to North America, Europe, most of Asia and many other locations)
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Hi, IFATC here
As long as user didnāt have an inappropriate callsign or wasnāt explicitly trolling no violations will be issued after the incident.
From what you said it sounds like someone ended up on top of you or below on final. When this happens, plane at lower altitude has right of way, so if horizontal separation is not established in time, plane on top go around.
P.S. same thing if this happens on intersecting runways. Also, this does not permit someone at a lower altitude to cut off a plane at a higher altitude and force them to go around.
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I actually think he meant he was directly above/below someone on final (which means higher plane should go around)
Thank you for your reply! First of all, when I translated the sentence I wrote, some nuances could be taken differently, so I will correct it. Iām sorry. Itās about getting into the same runway at the same time, rather than getting away from another plane. I made a contact (UNIKOM) to ATC, but the other party did not.
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Thank you for your reply! First of all, when I translated the sentence I wrote, some nuances could be taken differently, so I will correct it. Iām sorry. I think your response is the most correct for me. However, an airplane that was 3000ft above me entered the final approach at the same time as me. I havenāt contacted the control of other airplanes (UNIKOM), so I thought it should be a report.
Excuse me. You have not answered my question. Isnāt it strange because I had another plane that was approaching at the same time when I made the final approach to the airport and that plane isnāt in contact with control? Is saying
Not a piece of equipment with the flight of 2 callsign Iām Japan air 9952 and the opponent is AIVA? I think it was!
Hello! Thank you for your reply š There was no controller (UNIKOM) Therefore, I think GO around was awkward and it was dangerous to try to enter at the same time as me. There is a replay.
So you are saying that there was another aircraft on final Runway 22, which is the runway you were trying to land on as well? And I assume you are upset because this person was not contacting Tokyo Unicom while on approach, and didnāt have enough spacing between you?
As @Alexander_Nikitin said above, unless he has an inappropriate call sign there would be no violation occurred to him. Even if itās Expert server if itās not controlled itās the same as casual server. Sorry but nothing we can do.
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Did he land on top of you?
Could you provide us with the replsy so we donāt need to keep guessing whst happened?
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Hello, Iām trying my best to help others (who are no doubt more qualified than me) understand your request/ questionā¦
So, are you saying:
No ATC and only Unicom, was the condition at time of incident? And if so:
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You are asking a feature for something similar as the Fingers Frequency? Where you could directly notify the other plane? ( āDangerousā¦ no final sentenceā / āmultiple/other party could respondā¦ā )
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Or are you describing a past event and wish for someone to notify a player involved in your incident?
Apologies in advance if Iām not getting it right. Are any of the above statements correct? Cheers!