How do you define a butter or grease landing?

So I’ve been seeing a lot of butter topics on the IFC, IG, and Tiktok, all with varying definitions. So I would like in the comments below for people to describe butter, whether through a video or saying "-__fpm ".

I’ll go first. I think -50fpm meets the minimum for butter requirements, and here is what a -23fpm landing looks like in IF…


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Here’s a -15fpm on the 717:


ok, WHAT?! A 717, actually landing?


Idle throttle during flare < Near TOGA at 5ft


Just keep the autothrottle on until it disables by itself on touchdown.


“A pale yellow edible fatty substance made by churning cream and used as a spread or in cooking.”


That right there is how you float wayyyy down the runway. In a sim it’s fine I guess, but in my book a landing with proper form will always outrank a just really soft one.


Smoothest landing in a 717 on the IFC! Yes! There is NO OTHER POST.

You hold the record.

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“A solid emulsion of fat globules, air, and water made by churning milk or cream and used as food.”



Not too bad, right?


Not too bad, but as a technique it will lead to floating more often. That isn’t to say you can’t have one good isolated landing. It is a valid strategy, they teach us to add a little dab of power on soft field landings, but you aren’t doing a soft field landing, so that is sort of a moot point.

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No such thing as butter landing. You can grease a landing though ;)


We never buttered our landings in Air Force, we greezed them. No butter.



Welcome to the community @Steve_Schade1! And finally, some people talking about grease! Wondering if I might slay the butter with a butter knife, I consulted the oracle of AI. But twice as I needed to get the answer I wanted:

"I apologize for the mistake in my previous response. After doing some further research, I found that “grease” is still the more commonly used term in the aviation industry to describe a smooth landing. While “butter” is also used, it is not as prevalent as “grease.”

I could not find any specific examples of airlines or aviation organizations that have gone from talking about “buttered” landings in preference to “greased” landings. Both terms are still used by different organizations and individuals, but “grease” remains the more widely used term.

Regarding the US Air Force, “grease” is the more prevalent term used to describe a smooth landing. The term is used in the Air Force’s aviation glossary and is commonly used by pilots and aviation professionals in the service."


I wish I could pin comments

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How do you even get that smooth of a landing in the 717? My 717 landings float and hit the ground like a rock


100% Butter Butter 👏🏽👏🏽

That’s what I’m sayiiiiing!!


Firstly, that was a lucky one, although I generally make good landings with Legacy aircraft. And that’s what I love about flying them, especially the 717. No one understands how I make good landings with them.

My #1 tip is: DO NOT TURN OFF THE AUTOTHROTTLE (remember, there’s no ground effect on those). Another thing I recommend is putting more nose up trim than what you really need. That’ll make you force the yoke down during the approach, and the aircraft will flare naturally once you stop pushing it at around 50ft. As for a 717-specific tip, pretend Flaps 40° doesn’t exist. Flaps 30° is MUCH more stable and easy to control (for me at least).

In contrast, I have a tendency to either float or make a landing Ryanair would be proud of on newer aircraft. 💀 (I’m getting better at it, though.)

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