High Speed During Descent or High On Descent Path

ATC
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If by chance i am too high on approach and want lose altitude or i am high on speed at a point where i shouldnt and unable to reduce due to descent , in both cases i would like to make a 360 or hold pattern once. so how to tell atc that i want to do a 360 or i want to hold to reduce altitude or speed.
or is it not required to take permission from atc?
sorry if the question sounds stupid>>…

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If your approach is unstable, you should announce that you are executing missed approach procedure in the ATC Communication menu. ATC should then vector you to then retry the approach

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Call a missed approach and follow ATC

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Which loops us to your other topic: 😉

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Thanks for reply.
i think i worded the question in wrong way
Sorry, if may sound stupid.

is it same procedure like if i am at 20,000 feet but at that point i should be at 15,000 so i am 5000 higher and need some holding to lose altitude or at 10500 i am 310 KTs so i need to bleed off speed but to do that i need a holding pattern. so i announce missed approach?
in this situation at high altitude what to tell atc?

i was asking about while descending from high altitude.

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Yes, you should announce missed approach as it is quite evident that you can’t continue the approach anymore. ATC should see that it is an altitude/speed issue and vector you so you can safely do the approach again. However, this happens rarely as ATC should see that there is a problem way before you should announce missed approach, and vector you early so that you don’t need to call a missed approach

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I assume you are flying your fpl under ATC control and noticed the issue mentioned. I would continue my approach to certain point that ATC finds out I’m too high to commence a successful Approach. They will told you to hold or will send you delay vectors to loose Altitude. In any case controlling speed is key factor here.

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At higher altitudes like that just do what you can. Use the speedbrakes, reduce your speed ( yes that helps, yes you’ll have to reduce your VS briefly, but you’ll then go down more per mile over the ground). If you are really goingvto struggle, also consider reducing speed enough to start bring the flaps out.

Same apllies at 10k to be below 250kts. Just do it as best as you can. Try to keep your VS at at least -500fpm.

Also, if really in a pinch, it can help to turn off the autothrottle and manually set thrust to idle. Then, as you approach the target speed, it won’t start adding thrust to maintain it. It usually over compensates and starts speeding up again. Plus, you don’t want thrust, alll it’s doing is adding energy to a high energy profile.

Edit: forgit to say. In most situations, if you are 5k high 20k up, you probably have time to sort it out.

Watch this if you want. It’s a video about high energy approaches and decent management. It’s for FSX, not IF, but it should all be the same, at least the important bit.

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Thanks All

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