Ghosting Change - How does it impact me?

Cool, I’ve gotten hit twice in a week because I haven’t paid attention. What the expert should be.

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I had the same issue in the Irma winds in the Carib… I got 4 speed violations in quick succession. The speed was fluctuating 30kts + & -, simply nothing I could do the slow the aircraft down in the warning time frame… Boom. 7 days. I thought it little unfair, as ghosting is mostly for intentional or carless acts, violations are I would like to believe for the most part mistakes, so therefore I thought same penalty as a ghosting a little unfair… but then again choosing to fly in hurricane winds…;-)

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@Knellered… Noted. Suggest you add Mr. Shelton to your comment address group.

@Maxmustang aye aye! will do!

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@Tyler_Shelton just for thought…[quote=“Knellered, post:109, topic:142179, full:true”]

I had the same issue in the Irma winds in the Carib… I got 4 speed violations in quick succession. The speed was fluctuating 30kts + & -, simply nothing I could do the slow the aircraft down in the warning time frame… Boom. 7 days. I thought it little unfair, as ghosting is mostly for intentional or carless acts, violations are I would like to believe for the most part mistakes, so therefore I thought same penalty as a ghosting a little unfair… but then again choosing to fly in hurricane winds…;-)
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Thanks for the feedback. I’ll have a look and discuss within the team, but ultimately we do want to reserve the Expert Server environment for those who can follow all ATC procedures and remain violation-free. Unfortunately you did rack up some violations rather quickly, but like with all storms, flying into one will be at your own risk and we do recommend utilizing our Casual Server if you’ll go outside of those parameters. Thanks!

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@Tyler_Shelton thanks Tyler… No biggie, I took responsibility for the hurricane part. But same number of days for violations vs. ghosting, maybe worth discussing. Casual server in future is noted!

@Tyler_Shelton… Ref: response to @Knellered and my inquiry at hour 23 the “Ghosting Change” Topic and yr overarching response to Knellered.
Am sure that Knellered and I recognized the danger of flying in Hurricane conditions and the probability of an incident and violation on TS-1. Appears you overlooked our root over-lapping issue; the change from 3 to 7 day for a violation which was not covered in the Ghost Change Topic or announced separately. What’s the bottom line. Do we have an administrative mis-Q-programing glitch and the 7 day violation change implemented in error. Will that 7 day downer for a violation be reduced back to 3 days administratively. Or will the Topic be corrected-revised to include the fact that violations will mirror the 7 day Ghosting penalty?
I support fully the 7 day Ghost punishment. I oppose that same penalty for a minor pilot error like an overspeed or Hi-G maneuver which the program recognizes as aerobatics. What say you, did I misread the guidance. My interpretation singled out the Expert Server & Ghosting with no effect on TS-1 or violations in general on all servers.

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@Maxmustang @Tyler_Shelton It’s kind of the equivalent to getting a parking ticket vs. going 100mph in a 35mph zone and both receiving a $60 fine.

I don’t quite agree with you there. Yes, we treat violations somewhat differently than ghosting on IF but I wouldn’t say that speeding, ignoring ATC, doing aerobatics near an airport, or not following instructions are on different levels. They should all be avoided and should all pack an incentive to not repeat.

We’ll discuss within to determine if we want to leave the violation impact at 3 or 7 days. Thanks, guys! 🙂

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@Tyler_Shelton I agree with you whole heartedly, intentional vs. mistake I think is the fine balance we are talking here, and I understand that’s not easy to define. The example I used was more you return to your car 5 mins late and get a ticket… rather than choosing to drive at high speed where you are clearly told that you are not allowed too. The punishments are clearly defined and are not equivalent. It’s a hard one, but yet think warrants further discussion on your end, and appreciate your willingness to take it on board, and do just that.

@Tyler_Shelton… Please understand I am not questioning being in violation. I had an overspeed caused by Pilot Error. “I” did it I admit it, I don’t want it reviewed or removed. The issue is the increase to 7 days from 3 in down time for a “Violation”. A Ghost is dissimilar to a Violation with its human interface and 7 days down is fine by me. A Violation is a lesser evil than a Ghost and they should not be punished with equal severity. The Violation punishment should remain at 3 Day!

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It did affect me unfortunately I can’t get back to my Grade 4. 2 or 3 days left.

EDIT: Good news! I got my Grade4 back! YAY!

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I am 100% thinking the same way. They’re different, not same at all (both gives violations but like @Maxmustang said, ghosts are more evil than violations). Good idea.

EDIT: Even though ghosts give you multiple violations and since getting ghosted and getting a violation has no difference at all in their punishment severity, this is a much needed update/feature.

I got ghosted today, but i think it is just because of missunderstanding between me and ATC

@Alexander_Nikitin Check this.

Violation Update:

Violations will also fall in line with our Ghosting change. You’re allowed a maximum of 3 violations within a 7 day period to maintain a Grade 3, which is also the minimum requirement for the Expert Server. 3 violations is a fair amount that provides opportunities for pilots to quickly correct errors while still keeping their Expert Server access.


Summary:
Ghosts restrict Expert Server access for 7 days.
Violations must not exceed 3 within a 7 day period to maintain Expert Server access.


Thank you for your patience as we better clarify internally.

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Don’t be annoyed, review the tutorials. I’ve flown on Live since it was released and I haven’t had a ghost in the entire time. Follow instructions, it’s very simple. Expert server rules are and will be strictly enforced.

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I think it’s fair to constantly review and finesse, this was about violation & ghosting = same consequence. A simple mistake that penalizes you the same way as for something that is clearly stated as against the rules, or an intentional act… well thats not balanced, nor fair. I applaud the way they are handling this. The fact they have responded in a way to try and correct that is really positive, and fair. Hey i got 4 violations in quick succession during the hurricane last week, i didn’t moan about it, no… i flew about in TS1 for 7 days. Did i feel it was right, no… but i didn’t come here ranting and raving about it… i brought it up (I hope) in a constructive way. @Tyler_Shelton I think this is a fair solution.

I think this is a good idea to keep the expert server for experts. But it’s really annoying when you get ghosted because of internet lag…

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