Hello!
Is there anyone I can talk to regarding IFATC and Global Air Force? Coming from GAF, it seems that there’s a lot of issues which need to be ironed out.
Cheers!
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Hello 
How we can help you regarding IFATC?
Just wondering if there was someone I could speak to regarding IFATCs processes, behaviour and professionalism really?
Perhaps this post and/or the topic will answer some of your potential queries regarding IFATC.
If your questions pertains to ATC recruitment, this topic may help.
As Kandengg described u can check from IFATC manual.
Hope you will get almost every information 
Really? GAF and professionalism equate to each other?
Sorry, can’t really find what I’m looking for there, can I speak to someone from IFATC?
Is there a specific member/rank of IFATC you need to speak to?
Hi, Will.
I just sent you a response in the PM you had with us over the Appeals inbox which will hopefully clear some doubts out. Feel free to reply there
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To clear up any doubts, yes, typically GAF pilots are quite professional, at least, according to my own experience and that of others. Obviously, in any organization, you will have your odd ones out which can give bad names to the rest of the team.
I believe the current issue that @Will_M was reaching out about was the event that happened yesterday, in which several members got violations. Basically, much of GAF prefers to fly without ATC, at least, without APP/DEP ATC since we can’t always utilize the “flight of xx” callsign feature, and that can cause problems when you have 5 planes all within 1 sq nm.
Thus, I believe the hope was to reach out to someone higher up in IFATC such that we could go over a potential change to the way that ATC would be handled at future GAF events. Perhaps it just means that we would need to have GAF members staff the even ourselves, but that of course means that those member cannot fly in and out, so an alternative would be nice.
And to let any doubts rest assured, we aren’t mad at IFATC or any individual, it’s just frustrating because most of our members can speak of a time when a violation or warning was received and we were just trying to carry out our own normal procedures!
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We at GAF are professional. its just when the ATC left yesterday during that event everything went south for the other players at EGVN. i was there for 40 minutes on the ground and no issues. until the ATC left and chaos. it turned into the casual server on final approach.
Thank you. This is exactly what I’m trying to get at.
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I’m just going to say this. If you want to fly with a ton of you in one group, don’t do it on the ES. If you want to fly in formation, do it the way that formation flights are supposed to be done and with flight of XX in your callsign. If you can’t, for example you want 15 in one big group, then don’t fly these busy events in the expert server.
If you then ask - well why did you open? In the end, it’s the expert server and the rules should be followed. I appreciate it was a big event, but you would have been better off in the casual server as there are no rules there and you can do what you wish. I do respect what you do, and it was an impressive event, but you need to consider that these type of chaotic events (with 10+ pilots in one group) shouldn’t be done on the expert server (especially if you want it to work in one specific way). That’s just my view on it.
Have a great day everyone! 
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Any reason for this? I can see how this can get pilots reported if not using the right callsign when flying super close in a formation flight. When in a formation of multiple aircraft if you use the correct “Flight of XX” callsign, ATC must leave you alone and assume all are aircraft. If not though, all aircraft are assumed separate aircraft and can be reported if flying too close.
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Often times we don’t know how many users will be present, and we cannot change callsigns once spawned in. Also if other people want to join, sometimes it’s impossible to communicate that they would have to change their callsign. Also, we’ve definitely done events in the past where we exceeded the max “flight of xx” number! 
@Eggs_Aviation I totally understand what you’re saying, and I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong, but I also don’t think you’re right either. Basically, why should we not do events on the expert server? According to expert server rules, we are not prohibited from large formations, nor is the “flight of xx” rule actually a rule (as far as I could find). But if IFATC was aware, or we had our own guys doing ATC, then that wouldn’t be an issue. The military IRL does things like this all the time, but since they have ATC who gets the situation, it isn’t an issue.
At the end of the day we have the ability, and I dare say the right, to do these events on the ES, but we would prefer that IFATC and GAF worked together rather than against, such that it’s a win on all sides, rather than a lose-lose situation.
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I’ll send you a DM (no need to continue on a public post). Don’t want to argue but want to clear a few things up
I don’t see any comments on this thread as argumentative. Like said above by Petre, we’re only trying to work with IFATC instead of against.
Military ATC from IFATC would be the best way to go about moving forward.
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Yeah, no worries. It is good to notice though, and @Jinco too, I went through the manual and I cannot find anything requiring the use of “flight of xx” when doing formation flights. All that has to do is with treating the aircraft as one or many. But if the ATC knew what was going on, they wouldn’t have to start separating aircraft which were clearly flying together, even if they didn’t have that callsign feature
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Another factor is that in many cases our pilots are flying under different callsigns because they’re representing different wings or squadrons, and those callsigns are fixed for the duration of the sortie. We can’t simply switch to a “Flight of XX” callsign mid-flight once aircraft have already departed doing so would cause a lot of confusion on both the pilot and ATC side.
For example, imagine a tanker “Total 11” launches on its own mission. Later, two F-16s check in for AAR as **“Mace 12”**and “Mace 13,” and they’re operating as their own flight. If another pair of F-18s from a completely different squadron wants to join, trying to merge all of these aircraft into a single “Flight of XX” package would be unrealistic and practically unmanageable. None of these elements departed together, they aren’t part of the same squadron, and they aren’t flying under a unified mission commander.
That’s why we use one callsign per flight per squadron, and the flight lead typically carries the lowest number in that callsign. It keeps things consistent, prevents mid-air callsign changes, and avoids the chaos that would happen if multiple unrelated flights were suddenly grouped into one formation designation.
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The other possible solution that I can think of is requesting a temporarily TFR for one specific airport only during your event so ES rules don’t apply temporarily only at that event airport and during the event time. That’s something that would need to be brought to @ Tyler before your event though. Otherwise, Expert Server rules must be followed regardless of the VA specific operations
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