Flaring with no HUD

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hello. Does anyone have any tips on flaring without the HUD. I keep on thinking I am “pulling back” the same amount as I would with the HUD but I’m always slamming it into the ground with no HUD

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I would recommend adding a bit more trim and let the plane fly so it does the job for you. Then practice and get used to the feel, and you should be alright.

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Listening to the GPWS call-outs has helped me a lot. I’d start getting accustomed to the timing between the calls, especially as you get to 30, 20, and 10. Once you know how many seconds will elapse between the call-outs, it can be a good factor for determining how well you’re flaring, and how smooth your landing will be.

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@tyleraviator99 Find a point on the RW and aim for it then once you pass that spot start the flair that is how I always to it! C:

Thanks,
Blake | Founder USA ATC Service and host of The Touchdown Zone Podcast

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Its just practice and making sure you’re at the right speed. its hard to get down but over time you’ll get it,

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I always Listen and right after “20” I start to gently pull back. But it seems to pull too much idk

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Ok I will try that

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that is how I do it IRL aswell

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Try to get the timing down with the call-outs and the HUD first. Once you start to get it down, you can switch to cockpit view and see. It’s all about practice. @USA_ATC’s method is great as well (it’s probably even easier, tbh).

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Ah. I do it by when the runway widens in my peripheral vision IRL

The only problem I see with that is if I am coming in to high

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@tyleraviator99 Put around 40% percent trim and don’t pull up. The plane will flare itself.

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when you enter the pattern you should be at 1k - 2k is my preference and use the PAPI or VASI lights to insure your on the glide slope but I dont trust them all the time if I fell high I descend down to make sure that I can and will touchdown on the touchdown zone. I use trim for my enter flight at 30% it feels the most natural to me.

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As is with irl, look at the end of the runway during the flare in order to assess rate of descent. It works for me.

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do you still feel like you need imput.

also what plane were you flying. When I fly the A321 I feel more secure when im a little high and when I fly the 737 I feel that I need to be lower than I am almost always.

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I’m primarily doing this on the 737

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well

thats what I have to do the 737 flairs alot more than a A320 it is all about learning how they fly and there Characteristics every plane is very different!!

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Practice makes perfect. I personally fly on expert and try to do pattern work with an ATC and other aircraft around so I always get the feeling someone’s watching me and it makes me learn a lot better if that makes sense.

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Do you put the 40% trim on short final or once you pass the runway threshold?

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Here’s speeds for the 737 series, flaps should be 30 or 40.

-700: 135KIAS
-800: 140KIAS
-900: 145KIAS

Trim should be 15% to 20%

At 30’ AGL flare and increase throttle at the speeds above, at 20’ AGL reduce your throttle and keep your device tilted. I do this every time I fly the 737 and it works for me. My problem with landing is crosswinds, but I’m figuring that out.

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The default flap setting for the B737 is flap 30°. Flap 40° is only used for one or more of the following

  1. CAT III ILS (autoland)
  2. Short landing distance
  3. That’s all I can think (other than if a checklist directs you to, which obviously probably won’t happen in IF)

Flap 15° can also be used for the following circumstances

  1. Single engine
  2. Flight controllability issues
  3. Again if a checklist directs you to
    Obviously, they probably won’t happen in IF like No. 3 of f40
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