hello. Does anyone have any tips on flaring without the HUD. I keep on thinking I am “pulling back” the same amount as I would with the HUD but I’m always slamming it into the ground with no HUD
I would recommend adding a bit more trim and let the plane fly so it does the job for you. Then practice and get used to the feel, and you should be alright.
Listening to the GPWS call-outs has helped me a lot. I’d start getting accustomed to the timing between the calls, especially as you get to 30, 20, and 10. Once you know how many seconds will elapse between the call-outs, it can be a good factor for determining how well you’re flaring, and how smooth your landing will be.
@TylerShah Find a point on the RW and aim for it then once you pass that spot start the flair that is how I always to it! C:
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Its just practice and making sure you’re at the right speed. its hard to get down but over time you’ll get it,
I always Listen and right after “20” I start to gently pull back. But it seems to pull too much idk
Ok I will try that
that is how I do it IRL aswell
Try to get the timing down with the call-outs and the HUD first. Once you start to get it down, you can switch to cockpit view and see. It’s all about practice. @USA_ATC’s method is great as well (it’s probably even easier, tbh).
Ah. I do it by when the runway widens in my peripheral vision IRL
The only problem I see with that is if I am coming in to high
@TylerShah Put around 40% percent trim and don’t pull up. The plane will flare itself.
when you enter the pattern you should be at 1k - 2k is my preference and use the PAPI or VASI lights to insure your on the glide slope but I dont trust them all the time if I fell high I descend down to make sure that I can and will touchdown on the touchdown zone. I use trim for my enter flight at 30% it feels the most natural to me.
As is with irl, look at the end of the runway during the flare in order to assess rate of descent. It works for me.
do you still feel like you need imput.
also what plane were you flying. When I fly the A321 I feel more secure when im a little high and when I fly the 737 I feel that I need to be lower than I am almost always.
I’m primarily doing this on the 737
thats what I have to do the 737 flairs alot more than a A320 it is all about learning how they fly and there Characteristics every plane is very different!!
Practice makes perfect. I personally fly on expert and try to do pattern work with an ATC and other aircraft around so I always get the feeling someone’s watching me and it makes me learn a lot better if that makes sense.
Do you put the 40% trim on short final or once you pass the runway threshold?
Here’s speeds for the 737 series, flaps should be 30 or 40.
Trim should be 15% to 20%
At 30’ AGL flare and increase throttle at the speeds above, at 20’ AGL reduce your throttle and keep your device tilted. I do this every time I fly the 737 and it works for me. My problem with landing is crosswinds, but I’m figuring that out.
The default flap setting for the B737 is flap 30°. Flap 40° is only used for one or more of the following
- CAT III ILS (autoland)
- Short landing distance
- That’s all I can think (other than if a checklist directs you to, which obviously probably won’t happen in IF)
Flap 15° can also be used for the following circumstances
- Single engine
- Flight controllability issues
- Again if a checklist directs you to
Obviously, they probably won’t happen in IF like No. 3 of f40