EDDV Closed. Thank you @Ajaxibrahim for joining.
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I know that, you’ve had already known the basic fundamentals of IFATC but it doesn’t mean you can “take it easy” on a single aircraft doing patterns, remember… Airspace under your control, is your responsibility! Anyway, feedbacks:
Transiton, good.
1st pattern, good.
- As i was in a fighter jet, i could do sharp manoeuvres, i was exactly midfield the time i requested inbound, so Enter Left Downwind 27R or Enter Base would greatly expedite the whole process.
2nd pattern
- No clearance, had to self G/A
3rd pattern
- Unnecessary clearance with direction, you already stated “make right traffic”
Ground awareness
- Upon my exit rwy, i taxied to parking not on the taxiway, you do not let aircraft do that pls.
Overall, good session and i just need to see you controling with more traffic, and see how you manage that… And please pay attention to every situation even on the small details, despite there’s only one aircraft, it is still your responsibility to maintain good quality&safe service, best of luck!
Thanks for the feedback, I was told that I did not have to clear for the option multiple times, only on the first pattern except if there is a runway change. But I’m still not sure because I see ATC clear for every pattern, so I’m sorry if I caused confusion on that part.
Aircraft passed the rwy threshold considered a “freshly departed” traffic, therefore a clearance is needed (and sequencing if there’s other traffic) clearance with direction is not needed cus you already told them which traffic direction to make on initial contact.
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That’s for the traffic directions (and pattern entries) , you still have to clear everytime.
Ah… seems like i missed this one, so yeah what we meant by clearance with traffic direction is the one that says "Cleared for the option, MAKE L/R TRAFFIC (used for initial/rwy change) if an aircraft already circled a pattern, did a t&g, whenever it passed the threshold, it soons need a re-sequence and new clearance, as it already had it’s own direction given by you on initial contact, you don’t need the “MAKE L/R TRAFFIC” correct clearance is just the simple one that says “(Callsigns) number x, cleared for the option” i really have to explain it this way :( i hope you understand.
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Hello, feedback:
RP-C0114
- Pushback Conflict: Good
- Takeoff clearance doesn’t have pattern instructions, altho corrected with LEFT traffic. Which was weird because usually we get right traffic on when it’s an “R” runway.
- Unnecessary traffic direction, you already told me to make left traffic, you don’t have to tell me to ‘Enter left downwind’.
- Unnecessary traffic direction with clearance. Same reasoning as above, you simply have to clear me for the option. I know I should continue making left traffic unless you say otherwise.
- It was confusing when you asked me to go around when I was lined up on Runway 09R. You cleared me on Runway 09R so it’s odd to ask me to go to 09L when I was already lined up. But to be fair, the sequencing and clearance after this was good.
- Runway change to 09R after my touch and go was good. Clearance was great. You can give it to me earlier so you won’t forget, but it’s perfect with pattern instructions.
- The proper response to B-LSA during the upwind conflict was to ‘extend upwind, I’ll call your crosswind.’, then wait for me to turn, wait for spacing, then instruct them to enter right downwind + sequence then clearance. But what you did by having me enter right downwind worked too. My clearance during that pattern was missing, I reported my position twice. When pilots report their position, that usually means they aren’t cleared. That’s why I had to announce Go Around.
- When I asked for departure, you could have told me “Frequency Changed Approved” as I was departing your airspace. You can do that as soon as I am 0.5nm away from the runway unless there are conflicts. I had to request a frequency change.
I think you get the idea, but you miss some things, and you overdo some things (e.g. you manage the aircraft’s spacing when it’s the pilot’s job, etc.) Keep the pieces of feedback in mind and I’m sure you’ll improve. Looking forward for my next join!
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Feedback B-LSA
- Takeoff Clearance: it was unnecessary to Line Up And Wait (LUAW) becasue there isn’t any traffic in front of me. You could issue take off clearance with traffic direction. But RP-C0114 did clear for 09R (I didn’t hear I wasn’t on Tower) then I should be hold short of 09R.
- Upwind Conflict: The most efficient way to solve it, is by extend my upwind as mention by @JeppyG, then when there is enough separation you could issue pattern of entry for 09R.
- Clearance: you forgot to issue clearance for me after pattern of entry for 09R, hence the Go Around. Remember to issue clearance, if you don’t want to forget to issue, just issue it after pattern of entry or sequence then you won’t forget it.
- Traffic direction: I wouldn’t recomand to use left traffic if I am going 09R, you issued go around make left traffic 09R, should have use right traffic just make it easy and efficient to control the traffic.
That all from this session, if you got any question feel free to ask me!
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Hey good job overall but some things to fix/consider (I was LN-WIN):
- Good job on the PB conflict.
- Agree with @JeppyG, that I was confused about why you wanted to use left traffic for runway 09R, sometimes there is a good reason (e.g., if you want to keep pattern work on a different runway). It looks like this was your intention as you then gave me a pattern entry for 09L and cleared me for it. Note you cleared me as number 2, although RP-C0114 was cleared for 09R. Given your GA for him, it might have been a misclick and you meant to clear him #1 for 09L.
- On my last rway change to 09R, you did a good job giving me a pattern entry and sequence to follow #3. The extend downwind wasn’t really necessary for separation since it is then the pilot’s responsibility to maintain separation. However, if your intention was to make space for the departure, then it could make sense. One minor note, for the departure you gave a “hold position” after they requested takeoff. The better command in that position “hold short, rway 09R”. One other note, instead of giving LUAW, then clearing, then expediting to the aircraft you could just give “Cleared for immediate takeoff rway 09R, please expedite traffic is on final”. That way it’s just one command. The spacing was ok, but note if it got close and you needed to GA me, then you would also need to cancel the takeoff clearance of the departing aircraft (assuming the plane is below V1).
- For the second to last pattern, each of us in the pattern reported our position, this was because we had not receive a clearance. Just double check that the clearances have been issued as the plane is turning onto final. The easiest thing to do is issue those early, when the aircraft is on cross- or early downwind.
Let me know if you have any questions. Keep up the good work, it seems like you are making good progress!
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Oh nooo… I’ve just reviewed the replay and the go-around was because I thought I cleared you for 09L, not 09R, I pressed the wrong one. I intended you to make patterns on 09L, woops.
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Yeah, I thought about that, but since I took off from 09R, it’s presumed that my pattern is for 09R. Don’t worry, if you keep working, you’ll improve!
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@JeppyG As he said, I used to make this mistake a lot, even my first session was jeppy, now I fixed my mistakes, keep working, you will succeed.
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Closed @aatogamer sorry, something came up.
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Yooo i just joined :(
I’ll reopen as soon as I get home
Hey, add me as well pls. Would love to fly some patterns
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