Expert Communication

Just as a tip, you only need to check in if you’re flying a jet and have a flight plan filed which you wish to follow. It may be advisable to only request flight following when you’re in a General Aviation aircraft and are flying VFR.

Additionally, if you are in a General Aviation aircraft and are flying VFR, you don’t need to check in at first, simply request flight following :)

so lets say im going to fly from LGA to FLL with a flight plan created.
i check in to NY departure, and say nothing else?

Yes, that would be correct. ATC might issue vectors to avoid a conflict with other aircraft though, so just make sure to follow those.

Yes.

Regarding switching frequencies on your own: do not do that.

From any frequency.

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Huh? You don’t need to state your intentions when you go to the depature frequency if you have a flight plan filed?

@Humars when you’re switched to departure frequency, and have a flight plan set, simply ‘check in’ to departure. This would imply that you have a flight plan filed which you wish to follow.

Oh alright, thank you.

Flight following is for VFR flight. We don’t use it that way exclusively in IF, but technically, if you’re in a commercial jet flying an IFR flight plan, which you must if you plan to cruise above FL180, FF is not really applicable. That’s in RWA. We use it interchangeably in IF. But there’s no need to tell us your destination. We see it.

What’s most inportant is doing one thing.

What happens a lot is people take off, then they start making incremental altitude requests, which are wholly unnecessary unless departure uses them for traffic avoidance, then requests FF. If you want to follow your flight plan, just check in and do it, or if you feel like requesting FF, okay, but start with that, not all the extraneous stuff in between.

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Oh alright, thanks for the help!

Good luck with Expert server .
I not want scared you but You will be ghosted first 3 months .
After that we will be fine .
🤪

Pro tip- if ATC tells you follow instructions or you will be ghosted and you don’t know why, leave the game. It’s a far better alternative to ghosting. IFATC only ghosts if your mistakes are causing problems.

Flight following is for VFR, radar vectors are for IFR or you can just check in and if there’s traffic they’ll temporarily vector you away from them.

Interesting take. There are a tons of us on here who have transitioned to expert server and never been reported/ghosted. Understand procedures, follow instructions, don’t interfere and you will have nothing to worry about and wont be reported.

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Really .
That’s good news .
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Better idea:

Look at the instruction history and actually follow them.

Leaving without figuring out what you’re missing means you’ll keep doing it repeatedly.

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Right, after leaving definitely go to the tutorials related to what you were doing.

That’s true!

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Even better, PM the controller! We’re always happy to explain what you did wrong and how you can improve. :)

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This is a particularly good tutorial that you should take a look at with the “high points”

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Hi. I have written out a basic flight with communication with ATC. some stuff is probably missing (so others please advise so i can make edits if needed)
Basically the following is what you can expect.
Also never use Standby as the first transmission.
All tutorials on IFC are a great resource. But heres a quick read format

P is pilot A is ATC

At gate
Once ready for pushback

  • P: request pushback
  • A: pushback approved (expect runway xx)

Pushback your airplane, and turn your aircraft facing the direction you need to taxi to the expected/active runway

Taxi

  • P: request taxi (to active / or requested runway)
  • A: taxi to runway xx contact tower when ready

If you need to cross a runway make the crossing request with ground, once cleared continue taxiing to the runway

Takeoff

  • P: Request take off runway xx

(Only do so when you are first in line - it avoids jamming the frequency)

  • A: hold short (hold behind the hold short line - make sure your nose is behind it
  • A: line up and wait (self explanatory)
  • A: Cleared for take off runway xx
  • If instructed to do straight out departure, follow those instructions
  • If cleared for immediate take off, do not hang out, line up and get going

Off the ground and enroute

ATC will either instruct a frequency change to departure (sometimes approach) as a pilot, in that event, tune in to departure and check in - they have all the information.

You may request flight following to your destination airport. That is usually the best. If the departure controller is assigning you altitude, fly as youve been cleared. Listen and obey all other instuctions as well Once you are at FL180 or 65nm out of the airport you will be instructed to change frequency. At this point you are on your own. Climb to your planned cruise altitude and be on your merry way

Approaching airport

(Within 65 nm of destination and below FL180)

Tune in to Approach (if open)

You may request:

Radar vectors for ILS/GPS

  • the controller will vector around and clear you to intercept the localizer for your assigned runway and for the approach
  • Once they have vectored you and you are now established you will be handed over to Tower
  • You then checkin with Tower inbound on the ILS/GPS runway xx

Radar vectors to the airport

  • the controller will vector towards the airport. You might be vectored towards a pattern entry or even a straight in approach if you need to be sequenced with other arrivals
  • Once you contact tower you report inbound for landing
  • Tower will give you a pattern entry and a sequence

Radar vectors for visual

  • the controller will vector you usually to follow a sequence
  • Usually they will vector you for a straight in approach
  • You will then be asked to report airport in sight.
  • Once you do (and you have to see the runway/airport) you will be cleared for a visual approach
  • Note this can only be done if VMC exists.
  • Once you have been handed over to Tower you will report inbound on the visual

Flight following to destination

  • if your destination is a controlled airport expect to be vectored to follow the sequence.
  • You might be told to expect radar vectors for ILS/GPS/Visual approach depending on the airports set up
  • Usually better to request radar vectors to a controlled airport as it helps with traffic

Inbound for landing

  • you will be cleared to land by Tower

Once landed you can be instructed a couple things

    1. Exit runway and contact ground
  • Pull off the runway taxi past the hold short line then contact ground
    1. Exit runway hold short of another runway
  • If you are still with tower exit as usual and hold short as instructed. If ground frequency has not be assigned. You wait till the tower instruct you to cross the runway
  • Once all that is done you request taxi to parking

Go around / execute missed approach
A Go around can be pilot or controller
initiated
If you are with tower once a go around happens you will be told to make right or left traffic. At this point tower can either sequence you themselves or switch you back to approach to be sequenced with others.
Missed approaches can only be done under ILS/GPS approaches. The following communications will be the same as the Go Around.

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