What’s up with the stars in eham. They make you go over the airport then back out to 36C and 36R. Why is that?
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These are real world procedures, they can include noise abatement procedures. STARS also are like exits on a highway. You wouldn’t want to cross paths with other people.
What you’re describing sounds like the STARS are keeping away from other traffic (like left downwind) and coming over to right downwind
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Thank you for the replies. I understand they are real but more wondering the why. I have a hard time making those turns. Wonder if real aircraft do them or are they often vectored.
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As you can see you should really follow the black line. Reasons why are told by panther above
This is so you can safely make your turn
They have traffic converge to one point which is interesting. I understand why there are stars. Just wonder why eham has this.
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Yea this happens in real life as well. Especially the early arriving flights, you should check out on FL24 some time, you’ll see they do the same. They try not to wake up people living in Schiphol area, Schiphol gets a lot of complaints from neighbors, so especially at night, STARS like these are used
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Do you have a particular STAR name for us, as we might be able to help you better then without running into any copyright related issues?
Thanks for the response. So they want people to shoot for the airport and then stay close by?.?.? Makes sense that a way point Around 25NM in the star is at or above FL100.
I’m not 100% but that’s what I assume as Schiphol is surrounded by residential areas and it’s on the news quite often that people are complaining about noise etc, so yes, especially at night, I’m pretty sure they want the airplanes to stay as close to the airport as possible so they avoid flying over residential areas
None of the STARs make you go out from the VOR, I think you are describing the approaches. There is a transition from the ends of a STAR to the VOR, at which point you can fly an ILS approach by flying an outbound course from a VOR and doing a procedure turn to intercept the localizer on the ILS.
For example, this type of procedure is shown on this chart. You go from the STAR’s endpoint, for example, fix SUGOL, and then fly a course to the VOR and then fly the approach.
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@Aceorbit, you are correct. I miss-typed… i am referring to the approaches.
These are made to be used in rare cases. For example when ATC isn’t available. You would just be vectored in real life.
There is indeed a noise abatement procedure but it’s an actually RNAV, not this going to the VOR then the ILS.
Just vector yourself from your IAF to the ILS when this scheme is present on ILS approaches.
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@Q-ENAN, thank you very much. This makes perfect sense.
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