Do you agree with NTSB? (Discussion)

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The NTSB has came out publicly and said that “Notams are 'just a pile of garbage” I would love to hear your thoughts on this and if you think they are what are your solutions?

(Reason why I ask for your solutions is it’s always fun see how regular every day people would fix an issue!)

PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL DURING THIS DISCUSSION.

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I don’t see what could be so “garbage” to Notams. Notams are just a simple way of letting pilots know important info that they should follow for their flight.

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If they think that Notam’s are so confusing, then they should redesign it. There is nothing wrong with Notam’s.

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I see what they mean. There’s so much information the important stuff gets lost in all the noise.

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I understand their reasoning here. With all the information being thrown at you every single time you fly (as a pilot), whether it be 30 minutes long or 15 hours long, things tend to be overlooked, especially when you are very fatigued like these pilots were.

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I think to be fair to say the NTSB are being fairly unprofessional in their language used here and also NOTAMS are not a " bunch of garbage" as they put it.

They are there for a reason. What my question is that. Why don’t they have a second ATIS like system for important NOTAMS. ones that are so important that they pilot has to listen to them.

One thing is clear tho a better system is needed I will agree with them on that.

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Wow. This is shocking coming from the NSTB. What do they want to do? Investigate more aircraft crashes? NOTAMs have saved me from getting confused and can be issued in many ways from FDC NOTAMS to D-NOTAMS, How will pilots know if an airport is closed or if there is a runway Closure without NOTAMS? How will we know if some restricted airspace is HOT without any Notams? I think this is just our lovely govt crapping on themselves.

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I think what they mean is that the NOTAMs are too confusing and designed badly. Important NOTAMS like that should be organized from most to least important. They should be simplified a little bit.

They way it was pronounced like ‘AB’ instead of "Alpha-Bravo I found utterly hilarious.

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If that is the case then some people are not meant to be pilots. NOTAMs are one of the easiest things to read in aviation

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It also keeps the sky’s safe

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Given the general discussion around this topic thus far, it’s apparent that majority disagree with the NTSB. I share the majority opinion on this one. Here are my thoughts on this:

  1. There needs to be better prioritisation of NOTAMs. There is no reason at all that a runway closure notice should be on any page other than page 1. That’s critical information that can affect flight planning.

  2. The NTSB brings up an excellent point in this regard: ...when is there ever not birds near the airfield? Conditions that are always or almost always true really shouldn’t be classified as a NOTAM.

  3. Taxiway Restrictions… this one is debatable and I have questions:

    • Who needs to use this data the most, ATC or pilots?

    • Where would this data be better published for utilisation, with the airport charts or as NOTAMs?

I’m also interested to read @Yuan_Tugo’s thoughts on this.

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Me too and some of the other pilots out here

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They might be the easiest thing until you’re a fatigued pilot who has been up all day working a job with a very heavy workload and insanely tight schedules with probably a killer commute. When you put all that into the equation you have to ask yourself if you were in their shoes would you read every single line of notams on multiple pages diligently as you would at the beginning of the day? I can’t answer that but I think its worth some thought. Maybe there could be a better way to make sure the crucial information doesn’t get lost within a bunch of “garbage”.

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Blah blah… I know quite a few regional airline guys that do 4-5 legs a day and always read NOTAMS. Don’t you think after 4-5 legs pilots are tired? Yes. But they still read them because they are important. If pilots are too lazy to read NOTAMs (even if they are tired) then they should of never became a pilot. That is apart of the job so

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Do you read every non lighted tower NOTAM every time you fly?

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Yeah… Me to literally talking to one right now (Commercial fixed wing guy) and asked him he said no there’s too many.

So if this individual doesn’t should he no longer be an airline pilot? The person who probably really reads all the NOTAMs is a dispatcher and that individual picks out the real important ones.

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I mean then wouldn’t it be personal peference? Helicopters are also 100X times more maneuverable than a CRJ or even a 737! Of course the airlines guys (that I talk to) are gonna read all the NOTAMS 🙄

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I actually do. Is that a problem?

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Rotor wing are different then Fixed wing.

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What a great and interesting topic. Maybe the NTSB will find a better way to release NOTAMS to pilots .

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