[Declining Player Quality in Expert Server]

[IF player quality on decline]

I haven’t played IF for maybe a year or so, was grade/lvl 4 & started IF when IF first started. After coming back I realized that there was a change to the grading scale and it seems like the player quality declined dramatically.

Just one of the many examples I encountered: Was on departure out of KEWR and a grade 3 with little experience and landing counts taxied onto the runway which I was taking off from (with atc instructions). This dude had 127 violations out of his 200 landing counts. How on earth is he permitted to fly in expert? And the ATC did literally nothing. He would’ve been banned back then.

This could have never happened prior to the grading scale change - seems like IF is looking for profit gains while sacrificing user/player experience. You are going to lose your loyal customer base if this remain unsolved.

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there may be a possibility that the person recently got Grade 3 and got those violation from training

The question is why the upgrade if he had only 200 landings, and out of those 200 - he has 120 violations.

I agree with you. Perhaps IF could increase the minimum requirements to fly on expert

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This is not a Support topic. Please stop moving it here :)

You’re looking at the totals in this case. Not the parts about ratio and similar that usually matters and have indeed helped a lot in terms of quality. Those violations you refer to could have occurred years ago.

There will always be a few rotten eggs regardless of what we do. It sucks.
But compared to how things were a few years ago, it’s tons better I’d say.

Not sure what you’re referring to here?

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I think it’s now a 12 month rule, so if a lot of those violations were in the past it doesn’t affect them now.

Ok let me clarify: The landings could have occurred years ago as well. The point is he has 200 landings and 127 violations both in total, and given this ratio, his permission to fly in expert is unreasonable

The fact that he is allowed in expert and that the ATC is not enforcing the rules

The maximum ratio is 1 violation per 2 landings in the past year. Anyone above that is G1 or 2.

Well then this dude would have been grade 0 if using the past grading scale?

If you can provide the past grading scale we might be able to figure that out.

Although I will agree with you that ATC has gone a little bit too soft on blatant issues. Might just be the new set of controllers but I do find myself observing some reportable behaviors with no consequence.

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I don’t remember what the previous scale was - only based my comment upon what you just said about 1violation per 2 landings.

And yes regarding the ATC: the only possible reason that explains this, at least to me, is that IF is trying to gain customer base while giving up on the experience. They probably think moving more people up to expert increases no. of loyal customers, which is completely not true given the deteriorating experience.

Honestly the best solution to your problem is to not let it get to your head. Ignoring other people is the best way to maintain the illusion of realism.

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We’ve not made the grade requirements more lenient over the years, quite the opposite.

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Just raising awareness of one of the issues that IF needs to solve. Can’t just decide to ignore everything and pretend things are perfect can we?

In that case it is still overly lenient in its current state, or there are still imperfections in it that allows bad players in expert

No arguments there.
Imperfections are unfortunately something that we’ll never really be able to 100% get around unless we would go to a rather extreme level on this.

And as I mentioned earlier - you can’t fully “protect” yourself against rotten eggs.

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There’s going to be imperfections regardless, there’s no way to design a system in which filters out everyone who doesn’t know how to fly with ATC active. Not practical to test every single grade 3.

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