Color Coordinated Radar System (for TS1 only)

#10

Hi Tim,

You raise great points. I think that generally speaking (like the current system) if you can look at a plan visually in radar and it’s within your air space 9 times out of 10 it is inbound to your airport.

I like your point because this it raises the situation with KEWR and JFK. here you have two well respected International Aiports. However I feel that for air ports with this type of situation there is still a solution. What if in cases like this the server could force you over to the correct channel as filed in your flight plan provided you filed it. Like some kind of sorter.

How does that sound Tim? And @Fynn

#11

It’s a thought. Unfortunately, detailed flight plans aren’t as common as one would hope. Second, approach may take a plane through tower airspace, and we don’t want them switching to tower early automatically.

But, with IT, there’s code that can facilitate virtually any contingency, so it’s a start.

But, it won’t happen anytime soon, so checking the plane information is at least available in the interim.

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#12

Thanks Adam I appreciate your feed back you raise good points. I think that change is difficult especially when you are managing a pattern. My proposal is a way for novice pilots and controllers to recongiize and identify patterns. I really want to stress that point.

#13

I completely agree Tim,

What FDS has done so far is phenomenal. It’s the only game on the Android App makret of its kind. I love it.

And I think that this system would work best with feed back from the entire community.

#14

I would like to see diferent color for the planes wich are in my (Tower) airspace and the airplanes wich are above 5000feet. And diferent color for planes wich are planning to land on my airport, acc to flight plan.

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#15

What I meant is al the other towers are the same colour but different from you

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#16

It’s not the towers that would change color it’s only the inbound aircraft to your airport with intentions to land as filed in each. Pilots respective flight plans. To each type of frequency is a different color assigned as described above. Departure, Center, Tower, Approach, controllers will see this color and automatically know that this air craft is being routed by someone and is not somone that will be in properly handed off, abruptly disrupting the set up pattern or some other third thing.

It also creates (for novice controllers) a since of comrodery to work together .

#17

Maybe this is a good reason to bring back TS2… Strictly for this purpose. Just because I make grade 3 doesn’t mean I understand patterns, and tower commands.

I think most people wanna practice patterns with a fully staffed tower who wants to practice issuing towers commands. Having this on TS2 wouldn’t defeat the purpose of my idea it wouldn’t only give people room to grow until they are ready for Expert. Idk I’m just saying.

#18

That’s how I read you. Sorry if it sounded like a contradiction. I think that would be feasible.

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#19

A willingness to learn is a start, and further than many get.

Please check out the following:

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#21

TS2 was not used as much so in that case, the money spent on that server was a waste.

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#23

I couldn’t agree more

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#24

Hi @Tim_B,

I’m gonna be honest this comment confused me in alot of ways because

It implies that the community doesn’t have a willingness to learn when this topic is about how to better aide novice controllers, and pilots recongiize and practice patterns.

It also implies that I can just read the link you posted and know how to fly a visual patter. However, when we talk about avation, learning how to fly a visual pattern takes practice not just reading.

Maybe Im misinterpreting your comment and over analyzing it and for that I apologize in advance. I just think this community has a willingness to learn, but more often than not, there is no willingness to properly teach and aide on the part of more seasoned members.

#25

I certainly wasn’t disparaging you, if that’s how you took it.

I was actually complimenting you on your inquisitiveness. (There are others who do not intend to learn, such as Grade 5 pilots who still request pattern work then fly off. I was separating you from that group.)

I don’t think simply reading that thread will instantly make you a perfect pattern flyer. But, the forum police will not allow me to post my own tutorial if another exists, so all I can do is point to other tutorials.

If you thought I meant anything disparaging toward you, I apologize, it couldn’t have been further from my intent.

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#26

What benefit does the color give a pilot? Other than me being able to see who else is on tower, what does it get me? If I see another pilot is on tower, what does that tell me? The issue is that they can be on a tower from 50 miles away. From a controller standpoint I can already see who is with me. If I am looking at your screen shot. I should assume everyone is on ground until they are first in line for takeoff or exiting the runway.

Part of this is learning as a pilot to recognize who you are following. You can’t simply look at an icon, you have to click on them, see if they are at pattern altitude or at FL300.

Yes the volume of TS1 makes pattern work harder but we have other regions that nobody touches yet everyone can’t wait for global.

If we are doing anything with icons I would like better icons for aircraft sizes or colors for heavies vs ga. Mainly because there are a lot of people who fly a C172 with a heavy callsign. Something for me to tell if you are in an A320 or A380 without clicking on you.

Just my opinion…

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#27

Ok next time I’ll ask for clarification before assuming. My apologies. You have made another great point about community policing that I’m sure we can have another long discussion on, but I’m sure I would get in trouble for expressing my opinion on that as I have in the past.

In any event thank you for the compliment I really appreciate having a civilized discussion about what could turn out to be a great idea. You stand on sound judgment Tim.

#28

Hi Chris,

I certainly respect your opinion. I would like to reiterate (as stated above in the thread) that the benefit of this type of system is for novice Tower, Approach, Departure, and even Center controllers to recongiize air craft on the wrong frequency that are in the air space. In addition it would also allow pilots to recognize and practice patterns over an air port on TS2 or TS1 whichever the community decides.

I know as a grade 3 pilot that it’s much harder to practice crosswind, downwind, base, and final when an unidentified plane refuses to get in contact with tower. With this system, even someone who has never heard of a pattern or even seen a pattern is able to recongiize it because of the color.

#29

I would like to see this implemented!

Sadly I have no votes left

#30

I think this would be nice, I do not have votes to vote it but I’ll see, also It would be fantastic if you can talk to controlers on the other frequency to tell them that, that plane needs to contact you… so if the pilot ignores the guard message the other controler will say him/her “NxxxNN contact X tower/ground/etc on XXX.X” and he/she change, well that’s a normal pilot accion whe ATC tells you that…

Lucas

#31

I’m the exact same as @Balloonchaser

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