(Closed) ATC @ TFFR Caribbean region TS

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Hi, I was American 25 67.

One thing that stood out to me was for my second pattern you could have called my base to takeoff some aircraft. Just remember YOU are the controller don’t let the aircraft under YOUR control, control you.

Also you could have issued the go around command to the Dash 8 behind me a little earlier.

Other than that great job!

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@NEO @Boeing_777 Saw you both!

@MannyG You were good apart from one thing. Try not to get them to change frequency as soon as possible, as I was still well within your jurisdiction when you asked me to change frequency.


Thank you - very valuable feedback. You are right on your second pattern. On the Dash 8 behind you, yes… I picked TFFR on purpose because I am not used to doing ATC in an airport with back taxing and basically only taxiways in the center of the runways - I did not account for the time for you to turn around and exit the runaway.

As I said - really good feedback, thank you. I also appreciate you stopping by.

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Thank you for stopping by. I typically wait for the airplane to cross that first airspace line before asking for frequency change OR when the pilot asks me sooner I just approve it. Thank you for your feedback.

Are you practicing for your practical?

I reached out to a recruiter a few weeks ago but never heard back… so I am just practicing so I can do better ATC. In the end of the day TS also needs some people to do ATC, right? Eventually they should reach out to me… I think? :-D. ’

The feedback really helps.

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The vital thing we look for is if you can handle a simple parallel ops airport. Most basic you’ll see out there in the ranks.

One runway airports with your full length coverage taxiways are common in early Deltas. Not a lot of the smaller ones have prominent back taxis, such as EGLC. Work towards learning how to operate a runway before getting into more complicated separation methods with ones that require backtrack.

You haven’t heard from your recruiter yet? Try @anon66442947. He [always] replies; at most, he should be able to help you.


Hi Josh - thank you for your feedback. I feel like I do pretty well on the standard parallel runways or single runway with not such prominent back taxis, such as KPSP or EGBB. Every time I post here in the community that I will be doing ATC work on those type of airports, the feedback is very positive, usually with very just minor things.

Because of that I wanted to try something different like TFFR. Because I tried that, now I know I have to pay more attention to the time it takes to exit the runway in such conditions. It’s all good experience :).

I will reach out to @anon66442947 - thank you for the advice.



The official radius of tower airspace is five miles and 5,000 feet vertically as per our current regulations. If someone is departing my airspace and they’re just lifting their wheels off the runway, I’ll send a freq. change approved or send them to an available app/dep frequency. Same way they do it in real life if radar is active- handoff by a half mile off the runway end, or even that at all! There’s nothing else to do with them once they’re clear of obstructions.

The “ring” argument is extremely flimsy. It’s one thing to look at it in 2D, but another to apply the full dimensions of it. Consider it as an upside-down layered cake with varying levels of jurisdiction for tower, app, departure, and so on. They coordinate with each station to determine where and when an aircraft needs to contact a specific frequency. SFC—> 10,000, 4,500----> 8,200, 5,000----> 7,000 are just several examples of the layered tiers, which is why we had to dumb it down in order for it to make sense. Way too many people will get easily confused if we were to apply the three tiered approach in major bravos.

I’d just leave that to the appropriate people to answer or ask questions if you’re not sure. Verify before passing false information to those who are trying to learn the right things for IFATC. :)


Sorry, I may be incorrect. I thought, that if there was no departure channel, nor center or approach or any other channel open, that you should stay on their frequency until you leave their full airspace. What if you end up turning to fly a different direction (flying VFR) and require a transition? What if you have two airplanes on the same course within seperation minimums? If they’re off your frequency, there’s no way of telling them anything, and because they’re in your jurisdiction (because of no other frequency), you would be to blame if they crashed.

Again, five miles. Upon departure, the pilot will state which direction he is departing and/or indicate such in his flight plan. If there are two or more aircraft on the same course or converging on it, common sense has to be exercised. The controller will predetemine a safe departure interval between aircraft based on traffic needs; it’s up to the pilot not to be a knucklehead and blast off to 250 immediately.

Here’s a great example I allude to when working KDEN once. A departure was ready to go for 34R, making a left turn over the departure end of 34L, with the destination being Aspen. Another aircraft arrived at the same time for 34L, indicating that he would go to the right over the departure end of 34R. I cleared the first for takeoff and got the 34L departure in position and hold. Once separation was anticipated at the runway end with the first’s rotation and turn, I then cleared the 34L aircraft to go. Simple as that. You need to plan conflict avoidance ahead of time.

Ok I may have been wrong, but I’d like to know if it is a problem to keep them on your frequency (without other frequencies)? As long as they don’t request it

All keeping them on the tower frequency achieves it clogging up our flight strips. If the pilot changes there mind and wants to fly over the airport then contact tower and request a transition. Just don’t do it at 30,000ft. If you want to depart in a different direction then just use the map to see if it’s clear and work out if it’s safe or if you change your mind 2 secs after departure then request a departure to where you would like to go.

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Who has ever wanted to talk to the atc but not through a command? Like, if some player needs ghosted or you need to change runway for a specific reason? What if there was a TeamSpeak 3 server for each region I. Infinite flight? So in Caribbean there’s a channel for SXM, PTP, ANU, etc and the pilots can talk to each other and to controllers?

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Wow… this turned out to an excellent post :). I was going to say @Ben_Schenk, that on expert I do not see anyone waiting for me to cross the circles before they ask for frequency change, as a matter of fact most of the time they approve frequency change as soon as my wheels are in the air - which seconds @JoshFly8 comments. Granted I always have a flight plan so the controller knows where I am going.

Thank you both for your replies.


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