This has my vote - I’d love to see it implemented. This is part of what makes VATSIM very realistic, and inplementing this into IF would definitely up the level of realism the sim brings.
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This is great idea and all but… I think that other areas should be focused before this. Don’t be get me wrong, I fully support this but it’s just lower on the totem pole.
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Has my vote, but one thing. The delivery request is different in the US and Europe, as far as I know. In the US it’s, “(callsign) requesting (IFR/VFR) clearance to (ICAO) with information (ATIS ident).” In Europe, it’s,“(callsign) requesting (IFR/VFR) clearance to (ICAO) at stand (gate/stand number), with information (ATIS ident).” The only difference is mentioning the gate number you’re at. They don’t really mention the cruise altitude on VATSIM at least. Don’t know about real life if they mention the cruise altitude.
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A clearance delivery frequency is where the pilot gets clearance to fly from the airport to the destination airport, included in a clearance is the expected SID, expected runway of departure, instructions after takeoff (climb via the SID, or climb to FL100, etc), in the US they would say call for taxi and in Europe it would be call for push and start.
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Particularly as center will not be available when global is released, this frequency should help traffic by assigning altitudes and addes to realism
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Just voted for this. Makes managing departures much easier, if they follow a specific flight plan that deconflicts them, not as much need for atc to micro manage their heading.
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One more thing I forgot to mention. I was thinking rather than communicating with pilots, the atc would have the ability to make direct changes to a pilots flight plan, which would then appear on their screen. Of course this would be abused on TS1, but it would be great on Expert. Maybe this can be fixed by requiring an IFATC rank in order to operate it. Just some thoughts.
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MaxSez; “A” for effort @SingaporeAirlines but like ATIS, “Delivery” on IF will never fly. Consider the learning curve, and demographics. Even some Grade 5 don’t get it, they still attempt to fly short finals with heavy junk when no Approach is operational, don’t file flight Plans for long hauls, never considered airway routing, the difference between Heavy/Super and like that flight of 2+ call on a single aircraft sortie. I’ll bypass the ATC tech stuff list of Pilot Error. Can you imagine the increased turmoil in controlled airspace if we did’t just kick the tire and light the fire! IF uses the "KISS principal, good on’em. To high Tech, sophisticated, complex is Bad JuJu, but u still got my vote!
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We actually need this :) that would make IF even more realistic. The thing is it would be harder for controllers to controll the flights since they need each planes fligh plan to guide them accordingly . This gets might vote!
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Wouldn’t the idea be that ATC would spend their time fixing the flight plans, since they would be the ones that know what they are doing? Meaning the learning curve would be for ATC, not pilots.
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Typical Maxsez response: insult someone.
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The pilots would even get a bit of knowledge deciphering why they filed the flight plan the way they did, it’s a win for everyone!
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Good idea, but only on expert server
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Is this really needed? Guessing as we:
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Don’t fly SID/STARs, so there would be any assignments to be done
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Don’t clog up the frequency when sending a message, so there wouldn’t be any more delay for you
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Have the route visualized, so no need to “confirm” it
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Have everything via text, so no “read backs” to make sure both the ATC and the pilots agree on the route
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Don’t need to have a squawk to be able to be seen on the ground radar (much like A-SMGCS)
So why do you think you need it?
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I think this would be great, but used in a slightly different way to real life - the IF ATC system is different so DEL should be too. I would say it should be used to accept FPLs, as the aircraft would request IFR/VFR, the departure and arrival airport and cruise altitude. The controller would see the FPL and only accept it if it is sensible and follows as many airways as possible.
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Now this would be cool with global.
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If we want to see Center in global we will need two things, Sectors all around the globe for example the ZMA or Miami Sector that covers lots of florida, gulf of mexico, and carribean. And we will also need a clearance delivery frequency, giving us our departure frequency(s), what cruise altitude to expect, and a bunch of other cruical information that is needed for long distance flights. It would enhance realism by 600% and this is something we need following the global flight update umong other things.
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I love this idea, actually had the same idea myself and was about to request it. For the sake of helping people understand how clearance works and how I think it should be implemented into IF, I’ll explain my idea.
What is Clearance Delivery?
Clearance delivery is the position that issues route clearances to aircraft, typically before they commence taxiing. These clearances contain details of the route that the aircraft is expected to fly after departure. Clearance delivery or, at busy airports, Ground Movement Planner (GMP) or Traffic Management Coordinator (TMC) will, if necessary, coordinate with the relevant radar centre or flow control unit to obtain releases for aircraft. At busy airports, these releases are often automatic and are controlled by local agreements allowing “free-flow” departures. When weather or extremely high demand for a certain airport or airspace becomes a factor, there may be ground “stops” (or “slot delays”) or re-routes may be necessary to ensure the system does not get overloaded. The primary responsibility of clearance delivery is to ensure that the aircraft have the correct aerodrome information, such as weather and airport conditions, the correct route after departure and time restrictions relating to that flight. This information is also coordinated with the relevant radar centre or flow control unit and ground control in order to ensure that the aircraft reaches the runway in time to meet the time restriction provided by the relevant unit. At some airports, clearance delivery also plans aircraft push-backs and engine starts, in which case it is known as the Ground Movement Planner (GMP): this position is particularly important at heavily congested airports to prevent taxiway and apron gridlock.
How can this be implemented into IF?
The purpose of clearance delivery in Infinite Flight would obviously be the same as real life, however it would be simplified.
On the pilots side, the only options in the ATC menu would be to request either an IFR or VFR clearance. VFR clearance may be requested without a flight plan filed, whereas IFR clearance would require a flight plan to first be filed.
On the controllers side, controllers will have the option to either approve or deny clearance, based on the flight plan. Obviously 99% of the time, clearance will be granted, however this gives controllers the option to refuse a completely ridiculous flight plan. When a controller gives clearance, they will be directed to a sub-menu to give initial heading instructions, as well as a final menu to either add a message to the end, or just “send”. Controllers will also have the typical “Misc. Messages” category, and a modified “Broadcast Message” category.
Why do we need this?
Clearance delivery will help pilots and controllers get on the same page ahead of time, so that pilots know what to expect upon takeoff, as well as preventing people taxiing all the way to the runway only to find out that pattern work is not being accepted.
Screenshots of possible implementation
Pilot ATC Window
Controller ATC Window
Series of commands for giving clearance
Example communication
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Very well put together and explained, I would be ecstatic if we had more ATC positions and commands including Clearance.
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This feature seems very cool. Definitely earned my vote!