Hello guys~ Got some few questions during my flight. It’s about pilot ATC menu.
Q1. When you want to report your intension to the TWR, what ATC message is appropriate?
‘Call inbound’ or ‘report position’
and what is the main difference between these two?
Q2. On report position menu, you can choose a pattern position and intension. In those ‘intensions’ what is difference between ‘landing’ and ‘full stop’
Now about Controller…
Q3. As I heard, TWR must provide pattern instructions before landing clearance. The questions is : (When rader controller present) Does TWR have to give patterns to all inbound aircraft regardless of aporoach method? Or exept ILS(GPS) approach and visual approach airaft?
Q4. Can’t we give sequence instructions to ILS/GPS approach aircrafts? Why is this??
You do not need to give a pilot a pattern entry if they’re on a ILS or Visual approach. However, you do need to a pattern entry for RVs (Radar Vectors) or FF (Flight Following). This scenario is when you have an approach controller with you.
Yes, it will show. Example below, doesn’t show the approach because he was on ground. But if he was handed to tower from approach, it would show the runway assignment then below would show what approach they requested (ILS, VIS, RV or FF).
LOC means localizer. It’s a system that gives aircraft guidance horizontally (along the axis of the runway) to the ground.
Then if the approach on the ATC screen shows ‘LOC’ it means that the aircraft is on ILS approach? Cuz I think I’ve seen ‘LOC’ appear on that…
also I got new question about back taxi
Q1. The small space attached to the end of the runway(the rotation space for back taxi like the one on TNCM) - is this space considered as taxiway or a part of the runway??
Q2. (At TNCM airport) If I want an aircraft to hold on the space attached next to RWY28 threshold and empty RWY10 for traffic on final, what instructions do I have to give?
‘Back taxi RWY, contact GND on the taxiway’ or ‘Exit RWY to the left, contact GND on the taxiway’ or both…???
Well, calling inbound is the initial call you make. Reporting position acts as a reminder if you will. Tower may ask you to report base/downwind/final. In this case, you then, when you are either turning onto the appropriate leg or established on said leg, call and report the appropriate position. Also, if you’re on shot final (maybe coming up to @00ft AGL) and you don’t have landing clearance, you can call “on final”. But, at 100ish feet if you still don’t have the clearance, go around. Bonus tip for the go around: iniate the manoeuvre first then call the tower!
What I don’t understand is why do pilots of ALL GRADES still feel the need to request a runway for landing if you were handed over from approach if I’m Tower should I just ignore the request and give Landing clearance or give a pattern entry anyway as I assume if you’re requesting to land you need both a pattern entry and clearance otherwise the pilot should just say they are on the ILS GPS or visual…unless they are not… such as VFR… I understand the sequencing part
That is not it’s purpose. It should only be used to inform the controller of your new intentions.
Cleared for the option but intend on doing a full stop landing, report full stop. More of a nice gesture to report full stop since the controller already cleared you for a full stop landing in the option clearance. Cleared to land but want to do a touch and go, report touch and go.
We do not need reminders and we cannot ask you to report position on a specific leg, so reporting position randomly only wastes the controller’s time, we can’t unsee you.
Fake news. Full stop is when you stop ON the runway before turning off on to the taxiway, idk when you’d use this outside of emergency scenarios but it exists. A regular landing is when you just turn off once you reach a speed of about 40-30kts ground speed. At least that’s what I’ve been told.