So I was on the Dubai Int airport I was cleared for takeoff and the atc says “ you are cleared for immediate takeoff make right traffic “ but as my flight plan I was supposed to go at left of runway after some time atc says me to check atc instructions guide so what should I do in this situation there was no approach or departure frequency to ask for fpl following
I was flying on expert server on Dubai Int. My fpl was filled and I was holding short at rwy 30R . The Emirates in front of me was lining up on rwy and after he line up I was directly cleared for lineup and wait on same rwy but I was in back of Emirates after he takesoff I was cleared for immediate takeoff I took every permission required like departing permission at my takeoff clearance he told me to do right traffic but according to my fpl I have supposed to go in left side so I took left side and then atc told me to check atc instructions manual and follow it
if the atc has asked you to “make right/left traffic”, then that means you likely asked to remain in the pattern, instead of departing the airspace, which are two different services-
if you’re not remaining in the pattern, you should simply say the direction in which you’re departing the airspace. As in “ready for departure runway XX, departing north”.
there’s all about it in the flying guide, maybe you could have a look!
Then the ATC is at wrong here because only someone that clueless can give such weird instructions. Why would you do a remaining in the pattern if you’re gonna fly IFR? The SID procedures are well laid out for DXB hence If you were to fly IFR the ATC better needs to know rather than giving such vauge instructions.
I think there’s also a possibility from the pilot to request remain in the pattern beforehand, hence the instruction. We might need a little bit more details from the pilot or the controller involved.
Well I think an ATC can make better judgments regarding it and we all know what someone means when they request remaining in the pattern when they have a filed flight plan. Let’s be honest why would the OP request a remaining in the pattern when he as flight plan because he doesn’t know what it actually means unless he really means it? He would have deleted the whole FPL and insert a downwind pattern heck you can simply insert the STAR procedure VUTE3/4C.
I understand what you’re saying.
But personally - if you’re requesting remaining in the pattern, I would treat you as such. I wouldn’t assume that you’re meaning something else than what you’re requesting.
Right, I agree but things are clear cut in this case let’s be honest DXB has standard RNAV departures and STAR and there’s no reason to make things complicated. An ATC in general should take a look at the user’s flight plan to assume his intentions especially if they’re flying a full laid out standard RNAV departure it’s clearly understood.
yeah I kinda agree with that part of atc checking people’s fpl, that does help in controlling, but uh
as traffic controllers, we are also instructed to accommodate requests as well.
I’ve seen a few rare cases of people, in my airspace, that called remaining in the pattern with a flight plan.
well… they actually flew the pattern, and departed shortly after.
what I mean is: if a pilot requests something, and I, as atc, can clear them for that request, I will.
In this case yeah, doing pattern work even though having a flight plan can be a weird thing to request, but some pilots might actually mean it. They might actually want the PW clearance.
which is why we, as atc, don’t deny pattern work requests, unless published so in the ATIS.
Honestly that’s rather impressive or crazy I will say since it takes quite effort to pull that up instead of just flying out normally and engaging lnav. But it’s first time I’m hearing this since I’ve never seen something like that before or at least I’ve noticed it.
I’m sure it’s the simplest thing a new user could learn all it requires you to click a SID and then fly direct or however you want to your destination. Because I’ve seen alot of them doing this kind of stuff and it bothers me if they’re doing it due to lack of knowledge or ignorance btw ignorance is bliss.
yeah it’s a bit of a rare thing to happen since 80% of the pilots don’t actually want PW, even though they request it-
but hey, it’s for situations like these that we should accommodate requests, as long as these requests don’t diminish the service for other pilots.
also-
just the other day, I had a pilot request pushback, and then taxi to parking shortly after.
of course I was confused- but uh I decided to accommodate such request.
surprisingly, they actually taxied to a different parking, in which they stayed for 30min before proceding as normal.
confunsing? yeah.
but hey, weird requests are a thing, apparently xD
That’s also probably a first. I’ve actually done this in the past long back if I remember it was regarding the fuel just after push back I had to roll back to the apron but within 5 minutes or so I was ready after making some adjustments in the simbrief for fuel and adjust the flight plan as well It was EK416 if I’m correct. Btw I guess we are going out of the topic lol.
