Approach and departure by Waypoint

But the issue is that users sometimes don’t have and understanding of those plates or how they are deployed and don’t have the time or interest to learn.

This is a central place for sharing the waypoint break down of a specific approach.

IFC has a range of experience, knowledge and interest; differentiating the brilliant knowledge we have will make a better more realistic experience for us all.

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Hey there-at VirtualBlue we have the Canarsie Climb and many SID/STAR’s all setup in our routes database!
Here’s the Canarsie Climb
KJFK R0534 HULEP JONAT JONLO CRI CESID

Here’s the DEEZZ4 and SKORR3

DEEZZ4 31L
KJFK SKORR CESID YNKEE JAMCA WUPMA

SKORR3 31L
KJFK SKORR CESID YNKEE (add METSS RNGRR if going south)

Now we also have the appropriate climbs off the runways at JFK
04L
KJFK HENEB WUGAL WUPMA
22R
CAPPA KRSTL JAMCA WUPMA
13R
KJFK MEALS MALDE OJONE WUPMA

Try those out and you’ll see they line up pretty well with the SID charts.

There’s a lot of waypoints that need updating as well. For instance the ROBUC3 into KBOS is missing quite a few waypoints but the runway transitions are valid-at Virtual Blue we fly a hybrid between the KRANN3 and ROBUC3

I’d be glad to help out anyone in understanding the charts and such. We’ve even created “vectoring” waypoint Routes into KJFK off the LENDY6 Star that coincide with the most common vectors that ATC will give an aircraft.

Also-here’s “vectors” to the VOR/GPS to KJFK 13L (from the LENDY6) as well as vectors to the ILS 13L. Both of these routes have been validated by real world JetBlue Pilots


I flew this one this morning. Please tell me if I made any mistakes.

GOATZ 3323N/11823W 3322N/11809W 3326N/11760W SHUSA DIXNN SLI VPLFX HUNDA LIMMA LADLE KLAX

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GOATZ: Enter FL016 at 35 and maintain altitude.
3323N/11823W: turn right head direct to 3322N/11809W heading 082, descend to 14,000ft
3322N/11809W: turn left head direct to 3326N/11760W heading 34, descend to 12,000ft.
3326N/11760W: turn left head direct to SHUSA heading 346, descend to 9000ft.
SHUSA: head direct to SHUSA heading 346, descend to 8000ft.
DIXNN: turn left head direct to SLI heading 332, descend to 7000ft
SLI: turn left head direct to VPLFX heading 326, descend to 5000ft
VPLFX: turn left direct to HUNDA heading 314 until you intercept the ILS, descend to 3400ft
HUNDA: on ILS 25L, direct to LIMMA heading 251, descend to 1900ft
LIMMA: direct to LADLE heading 251, altitude provided by the glide slope.
LADLE: heading 251, land.

Or you could read the arrival and approach charts:

Lots of criticizing going on. Lou, your topic is a helpful one. Thanks for the topic, I will be sure to look back at it when flying! 🙂

-Delta

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Departures
If folks have issues with reading a departure chart, basic information can be found below.

Approach
Aernout created an in-depth tutorial on this as well. Note link provided below.

The information has been outlined for folks already. They just need to dedicate the time to search for it using simple keywords.

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Boom! Just what I meant!

Just attempted that Caransie climb, wow. image

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It’s a tight one Lou! You have to stay EAST of the CRI VOR-almost fly JUST inside of the waypoint circle-if you get outside the circle and don’t get up to 3500+ pretty quickly, you’ll run the risk of drifting into both LGA traffic and JFK traffic. Over at VirtualBlue we’ve spent HOURS upon HOURS creating routes with full SID/STAR/ILS procedures-personally I cant freakin wait for a flight director and VNAV to help us out a bit lol.

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I would use the arrival further south into LAX if I were you…

As long as he hits TRENDO into HUNDA he should be alright i’d say-it’s an almost 14 mile final

Here’s a routing KJFK-KLAX with the waypoints for the RIIVR3 STAR-unfortunately the ANJLL2 and HLYWD1 RNAV waypoints don’t exist in IF (yet) so I had to improvise on the route to transition to the RIIVR3 STAR instead of the real world ANJLL2.

I mean the thing is it looks like a huge detour from his original route

Gotta ask where he was coming from-many routes dump off onto a STAR like that for traffic spacing.

Trio-where’d you fly from going to LAX?

KSAN. I got the FPL from Foreflight’s recomended routes. I thought it was a little uncessary but whatever.

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But you don’t go to GOATZ if you’re already at SLI

It told me to go to SLI then turn left to GOATZ. Then do the GOATZ arrival. Why, I don’t know.

FPL: KSAN SLI GOATZ DIRBY PHUNN SHHOW ZAPPP BULFIE SLI TRNDO KLAX

SLI is the penultimate waypoint on the GOATZ arrival. So basically, you flew to the second-to-last point of the STAR, then flew all the way back to the start of the STAR direct and started over.

Those STARs on the route advisor don’t always have the transition/entry point and you have to do that after loading it in. There are actually some special procedures for that route as well (SANN4R). I wouldn’t just blindly plug that in and go.

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Oh okay, good to know. Always learning. :)

Just one brief illustration for this particular route:

They actually fly this special procedure (this is slightly outdated, but the concept is the same):

It’s actually mostly the departure from KSAN, now CWARD2, that they fly to SLI:

If you look at the route in FlightAware, that’s typically a good start. This route is a little different with the special procedure listed instead of the route, but you can go from there.

[It’s a lot more straight forward when the airports are farther apart. This is kind of a special case.]

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