Approach and departure by Waypoint

Approach and departure by Waypoint

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Across the world, many of the most famous airports have famous approach plans but for me, i am not an expert in aviation nor understand the approach plans, plates and STARs…so i am looking for something a little more bespoke.

My hope is that by creating this thread, users can share waypoint routes (Grid co-ordinate driven for accuracy) for the most famous of approaches. I recognise that approach plans are more than just a route, but for the interest of recreation and simulation I’m sure a waypoint guide would do great!

If someone wishes to make this a Wiki, my hope is that we can create a little source of waypoint led approach plans, for the less expert of us.

Canarsie Climb

Waypoints:
Other info:

Thread search created. During search I identified a similar post that is more of a feature request, this is designed as a wiki led post.

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A good idea and one I would be happy to help with. How do we convert the long lat waypoints to be compatible in IF flightplans?
Geoff.

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I use this all the time. It will convert your FPL to a IF compatible FPL with coordiantes and everything. :)

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I recall @jdag2004 being good at that!

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I love this idea @LouDon!

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Do we really need another thread that has routes? We have a dozen of them already that get stale because people stop updating them after a few days. How is this any different from those?

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Chris, i want this to be a source of approach plans based on WPTs. more of a source than another route thread.

Ideally it looks like:

EGLL 27L approach

WPTS: xxxx, xxx, xxx3,xxx, 27L

Use adds this to end of flight plan for realistic approach.

I agree, more route threads…in fact more global threads can be a pain, but unless we have anything similar i would fight to keep this. You’re the boss though sir, if you have an alternative.

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I think people are looking to fill the gap between the STAR and the runway. The STAR only gets them so far. Even SimBrief only gets them so far and from there its up to the pilot and ATC to get them to the runway.

If you do include the appraoch I would include altitude for better descent planning.

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I agree. As i say, i am not an expert so im really calling out to anyone out there who thinks they can help here…

Google. It’s just as efficient and practical to google the approach plate(s) that one is looking for. I’m having a hard time to see how this would exactly be beneficial based on the examples you already shared.

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But the issue is that users sometimes don’t have and understanding of those plates or how they are deployed and don’t have the time or interest to learn.

This is a central place for sharing the waypoint break down of a specific approach.

IFC has a range of experience, knowledge and interest; differentiating the brilliant knowledge we have will make a better more realistic experience for us all.

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Hey there-at VirtualBlue we have the Canarsie Climb and many SID/STAR’s all setup in our routes database!
Here’s the Canarsie Climb
KJFK R0534 HULEP JONAT JONLO CRI CESID

Here’s the DEEZZ4 and SKORR3

DEEZZ4 31L
KJFK SKORR CESID YNKEE JAMCA WUPMA

SKORR3 31L
KJFK SKORR CESID YNKEE (add METSS RNGRR if going south)

Now we also have the appropriate climbs off the runways at JFK
04L
KJFK HENEB WUGAL WUPMA
22R
CAPPA KRSTL JAMCA WUPMA
13R
KJFK MEALS MALDE OJONE WUPMA

Try those out and you’ll see they line up pretty well with the SID charts.

There’s a lot of waypoints that need updating as well. For instance the ROBUC3 into KBOS is missing quite a few waypoints but the runway transitions are valid-at Virtual Blue we fly a hybrid between the KRANN3 and ROBUC3

I’d be glad to help out anyone in understanding the charts and such. We’ve even created “vectoring” waypoint Routes into KJFK off the LENDY6 Star that coincide with the most common vectors that ATC will give an aircraft.

Also-here’s “vectors” to the VOR/GPS to KJFK 13L (from the LENDY6) as well as vectors to the ILS 13L. Both of these routes have been validated by real world JetBlue Pilots


I flew this one this morning. Please tell me if I made any mistakes.

GOATZ 3323N/11823W 3322N/11809W 3326N/11760W SHUSA DIXNN SLI VPLFX HUNDA LIMMA LADLE KLAX

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GOATZ: Enter FL016 at 35 and maintain altitude.
3323N/11823W: turn right head direct to 3322N/11809W heading 082, descend to 14,000ft
3322N/11809W: turn left head direct to 3326N/11760W heading 34, descend to 12,000ft.
3326N/11760W: turn left head direct to SHUSA heading 346, descend to 9000ft.
SHUSA: head direct to SHUSA heading 346, descend to 8000ft.
DIXNN: turn left head direct to SLI heading 332, descend to 7000ft
SLI: turn left head direct to VPLFX heading 326, descend to 5000ft
VPLFX: turn left direct to HUNDA heading 314 until you intercept the ILS, descend to 3400ft
HUNDA: on ILS 25L, direct to LIMMA heading 251, descend to 1900ft
LIMMA: direct to LADLE heading 251, altitude provided by the glide slope.
LADLE: heading 251, land.

Or you could read the arrival and approach charts:

Lots of criticizing going on. Lou, your topic is a helpful one. Thanks for the topic, I will be sure to look back at it when flying! 🙂

-Delta

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Departures
If folks have issues with reading a departure chart, basic information can be found below.

Approach
Aernout created an in-depth tutorial on this as well. Note link provided below.

The information has been outlined for folks already. They just need to dedicate the time to search for it using simple keywords.

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Boom! Just what I meant!

Just attempted that Caransie climb, wow. image

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It’s a tight one Lou! You have to stay EAST of the CRI VOR-almost fly JUST inside of the waypoint circle-if you get outside the circle and don’t get up to 3500+ pretty quickly, you’ll run the risk of drifting into both LGA traffic and JFK traffic. Over at VirtualBlue we’ve spent HOURS upon HOURS creating routes with full SID/STAR/ILS procedures-personally I cant freakin wait for a flight director and VNAV to help us out a bit lol.

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I would use the arrival further south into LAX if I were you…

As long as he hits TRENDO into HUNDA he should be alright i’d say-it’s an almost 14 mile final