2 pattern questions

  1. When the pilot says “remaining in pattern” does that always mean, that the pilot will land again on the same airfield short after take off?

  2. When can you line up and taking off the rwy after the plane in front of you is taking off?

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  1. Yes
  2. You can line up while the aircraft is on takeoff roll but can’t start your takeoff roll until they air airborne
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All patern answers

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Or until you’re given permission by ATC

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  1. Remaining in the pattern means that you are intending to circle round either for a touch and go or a full landing at the same airport you took off from , with no deviation. If you are intending to go for a sightseeing trip or fly to a different airport then you need to say that you arte “Departing to the North / South / East / West or straight out”!

  2. Guess you mean when on UNICOM as with ATC they will give you instructions? When you are on UNICOM, once the proceeding aircraft has taken off, check to see that no body else is inbound, if all clear then line up on the runway. Once other aircraft has taken off and is clear of the runway then you can start your take off roll.

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Which should only be when the aircraft ahead is airborne :)

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What does a holding pattern have to do with this thread?

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Thanks. :-)

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Just to clarify re the above answers;

  1. Remaining in the pattern means STAYING in a pattern, that is, an upwind, crosswind, downwind, base to final, staying within the fields airspace.

  2. Once the aircraft ahead of you is airborne is not the time to start your roll. The different types of aircraft play a major factor in this. If an A380 is ahead of you, and you’re in a Citation for example, you’d realistically be waiting 2 minutes to avoid wake turbulence. A more general answer is, you should be waiting until the aircraft ahead has made their initial turn to their desired heading, and then use common sense to ensure you won’t be closing in on them at a rapid rate (ie they’re in a caravan and you’re in a 787). You definitely do not start your roll as soon as the aircraft ahead of you is airborne!

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It’s actually a 3 minute mandatory wake turbulence hold behind a heavy. But since this is IF I didn’t include that reference. Thanks for pointing it out though 👍

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3 minutes, right you are… even more of a wait than ‘airborne’…!

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Never even noticed but do we have wake turbulence on here? Not sure if the physics are that advanced. Never even thought about paying attention to it on here.

We don’t have it in IF, but the initial thread asked how long to wait - the answers are based on realism. If it’s not based on realism, then technically you can all just be on your takeoff roll at the same time

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So many pilots misuse remaining in the pattern, it’s sad. But yes,it does mean to take off and land at the same airport by entering a traffic pattern after takeoff. It does not mean fly 20nm out then come back to land

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